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Ut!q
Competition Manager
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America's Army
Site Operations Manager
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| 06-30-2010 03:37 PM / profile
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Hello guys,
We will like to know what do you expect for this new summer league as well as your suggestions.
Would you like a long League or do you want a short League??
Would you like Doble Elimination?
Please post all of your suggestions here so we can start a fun League where you all will have fun.
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financial
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| 07-12-2010 10:36 PM / profile
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This will be a long post - and since you asked for "suggestions" it will be a complete post.
I'm not even sure where to start this..
Basically TWL has been having "administrative issues" for a very long time now and unfortunately it has taken a toll on the participation and willingness of AA2 teams to play this league.
AA2 is in the middle of a revival campaign that has been extremely successful and brought us back casted matches on E-Rev.TV and upcoming leagues on the reputed CEVO league.
One of the main issue at hand always has been the fact that most admins are disconnected from the competition community - again one cannot be fully blamed for this because this community is very hard to understand and to hang with - there is a lot of different personalities that play this game competitively.
Moving on to the 2nd point, AACDC is firmly outdated - and there are a lot of better available options out there (such as UAC2), something should be done in this regard.
Next point.
TWL always has been "uptight" regarding its bans, forums etc. At this point in the game, it would be critical and a necessary must for TWL to review certain bans that occurred in the past - as a prime example I will present you the following player known as noofy http://www.teamwarfare.com/viewplayer.asp?Player=nx.noofy
Noofy has been part of the revival campaign and sent over 5000 emails to players, ran XPL league with success( now decided to step aside for someone else) and I'm fairly confident Reflex can even vouch for him. Certain bans should be reviewed and letting the anticheat do its job would be wise. So perhaps you guys could set up some sort of "un-ban request" thingy ?
Next point, listening to the community.
Back in early april I believe we requested that the current league season be scratched - since it was badly managed. What we got for answer was a "sod off we know better" when clearly you guys didn't.
Next point: don't take it as an offense, but why are there AA3 admins "running" AA2 - this is bad right away, at worst case let a junior admin like Reflex take charge of it, he's more than capable to handle it and he's straightly connected with the rest of the competition community, let him take the decisions - let him chat with fellow players, let him handle the NA Leagues for AA.
These steps should be fixed before making another "season".
small recap
Better Management
Connecting with the community (AAcommand.com)
AACDC to be replaced.
Review former bans - this is a game trying to survive, this isn't the time to be picky.
Listen to what the players ask in the NA Leagues subforums - they are a reflection of their entire teams
Complete Separation of AA2 and AA3 management wise.
Once that is done, let's discuss the summer league, weeks, maps, pre-season matches etc.
Post edited by financial at 7/13/2010 4:24:36 PM
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financial
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| 07-13-2010 02:12 AM / profile
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Oh and please provide the following to the higher management : loosen up a little and for once take the previous suggestions - I'm well aware that previous players and admins that went through this management have had proposed similar options.
It's a leave or take it option, for us at the AA2 community it's very simple, XPL and CEVO have their doors wide open and it is totally ran by the players for the players, we nearly have 30 teams on XPL and we've got 8 here. Maybe some discussions should be done.
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Ut!q
Competition Manager
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America's Army
Site Operations Manager
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| 07-13-2010 02:57 AM / profile
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financial,
We apreciate your suggestions and i already took note. We will see what we can do in a short term.
We are going to wait a week or so for more founders to come over here and post their ideas and suggestions, that way we can take all of em and start working.
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nooz
Lead Support Admin
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| 07-13-2010 03:02 PM / profile
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Moved from Leadership forums, keep it civil or the thread goes back there.
I have processed multiple appeals from banned TWL AA players and I have probably given a "second chance" to players more than my predecessors in total. These have been most appeals from EU players. Instead of players ranting about bans in the forums, they should follow the proper channels and email their appeals in a manner which says bit more than just "fu, remove my ban". Nor is it the correct way to get your "second chance" by creating other accounts and circumventing the ban just to come to our forums flaming about them.
For long time I have understood the situation with banning players from a game which is struggling to have a proper amount of teams and players. Therefore I was one of the staffers who very hard pushed
back in early 2009 the change to TWL AA's perm ban rules. Which now are quite different than they used to be. I do not like players getting bans due to forum posts, but admins must draw the line to somewhere. I understand the frustration of players getting banned and I would like the community to know, again, that you can allways appeal your case, depending on the particular situation, I am a very lenient person.
What comes to the management issues, we have been understaffed for sometime now, especially in the NA side. We have gotten more applications and new admins to our ranks and will put the admins to positions
we feel like they are happy and can work with. The admin staff consists mainly of AA2 admins who are also overseering AA3, so theres really no admins here who do not have a vast experience of AA2 competition. Sure, I admit there has been mistakes made and we are trying to fix what can be fixed.
CDC is outdated yes, but it still gives us vital information whats happening on matches (details what I obviously can not post here). We have had talks about UAC2 few months back among the admins, the UAC2
possibility is still on the table. And about CDC, believe it or not, we have caught people running hacks even this year with it. Obviously as it has last been updated years ago, it's cabability to detect
players running cheats has quite drasticly decreased.
Post edited by nooz at 7/13/2010 3:06:02 PM
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financial
TWL Member
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| 07-13-2010 04:49 PM / profile
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UAC2 would be a very good option - the tool itself is simply brilliant and the fact that every users can add new recognized cheats to the def file makes it even more attractive, combined with the screen shots, overlay etc is just good.
As for AACDC, honestly I think it ran past its time, I don't feel "confident" to be playing a cheat free match with this tool - In fact I'm pretty sure it can't catch anything relatively new (and by new I mean probably 2 years old, by my guess, it hasn't been updated since early 2008)
The current appeal process is not known neither is it really "advertised" on any forums(whom to contact, reach, what should the ban appeal include etc) - I wouldn't suggest a completely amnesty of all the bans (lol that likely would get blocked from higher management above you all) - but those over a year old should almost be "deleted" right away unless your talking about some serious business offense.
The way I see it is simple - Let the AC client do its job, cheaters are always caught eventually so I don't see the point of taking a risk by alienating every players for past mistakes, obviously I like to take CEVO as an example, it has been a staple of success over the years - but they really like to rely on their AC and this is the key to their success.
I don't believe AA2 admins should run AA3 and vice versa - there is a reason said "admin" plays one game - I have serious doubts regarding someone playing both games also, how can you even be connected with any community ( how can you even understand the concept of what the game needs in term of competition, I mean let's face it, AA2 players do not agree with the opinion of AA3 players and vice versa) This said I understand that you are understaffed. Small question, are the current staff connected with AAODaily and AACommand ? If not they should be - these are the AA portals of the EU and NA competition community and I'm quite confident that TWL Admins can receive private information and access from these 2 portal.
Give a chance to your new admins - yes Im pimpin re.flex hard here but the guy is actually really competent and while he hasn't been playing at the highest level, he still was playing on an inters caliber team in Team Vigilantes, so he has an idea of what he's dealing with and with who's he's dealing with, include him in your little group !
I don't know if there's guys that are above you and are blocking your every moves - if that's the case, someone needs to give them the link to this topic lol. Because since your the director of operations for AA I believe you should be allowed to move forward without having others question your every decision regarding this game.
Post edited by financial at 7/13/2010 4:56:35 PM
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nooz
Lead Support Admin
Site Support & Member Services
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| 07-13-2010 05:31 PM / profile
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I have full authority under this game, thats not a problem. Though there will allways be sitewide issues which we can not deviate from. And yes, we are cooperating with AAODaily on the EU side. (News articles). I personnaly wasn't aware of AACommand and we will need to seek cooperation with them as well, like we are doing with AAODaily.
I dont see a complete "amnesty" over issued bans. But like said before, we are accepting appeals from anyone who is willing to send one and each is looked on case by case basis. The proper procedure to appeal is really explained in our rulesets, not that much advertised no.
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rainmaker42
TeamWarfare Vet
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| 07-13-2010 10:14 PM / profile
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I see no problem with CDC as I have yet to play any cheaters on twl while they run rampant on XPL. With this in mind, I have no idea how XPL has more teams than TWL although the admins are lacking in activity here.
Dockside should never be an OT map.
No switching sides every three rounds, this just makes the match longer.
I personally would like more outdoor maps. We have XPL which does mostly cqb and I am assuming CEVO will do the same so it would nice to have a league with an outdoor map every other week like there used to be. Also CSAR is a good comp map that hasnt been played in awhile.
I think the time should be moved back to the original 9:30 est.
The length of the league should depend on how many teams you get to sign up. If there is another shitty turnout then keep it short.
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Imabadfishy
TWL Member
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| 07-14-2010 03:53 AM / profile
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Originally posted by: rainmaker42
I see no problem with CDC as I have yet to play any cheaters on twl while they run rampant on XPL. With this in mind, I have no idea how XPL has more teams than TWL although the admins are lacking in activity here.
Dockside should never be an OT map.
No switching sides every three rounds, this just makes the match longer.
I personally would like more outdoor maps. We have XPL which does mostly cqb and I am assuming CEVO will do the same so it would nice to have a league with an outdoor map every other week like there used to be. Also CSAR is a good comp map that hasnt been played in awhile.
I think the time should be moved back to the original 9:30 est.
The length of the league should depend on how many teams you get to sign up. If there is another shitty turnout then keep it short.
Name someone currently cheating.
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rainmaker42
TeamWarfare Vet
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| 07-14-2010 05:01 AM / profile
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masood.
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| 07-14-2010 10:32 AM / profile
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I completely agree with rainmaker. Especially on the point of dockside being an OT map. I've been saying it for years but a map with random spawns has no place in competition (despite the map itself not being that bad). I could go on and on about losing playoff matches on dockside ot but blarrrrr.
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Screwtape
TeamWarfare Vet
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| 07-14-2010 10:50 AM / profile
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Yeah, bring previous cheaters back, that will really make TWL appealing.
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-[Becker]-
TeamWarfare Vet
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| 07-14-2010 01:24 PM / profile
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throw river basin and mountain ambush back into the maplist!
oh those sweet Georgia landscapes
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Imabadfishy
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| 07-14-2010 02:07 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: rainmaker42
budlight
I play with him everday, he isn't cheating and if I thought he was I would leave the team. Try again...
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financial
TWL Member
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| 07-14-2010 02:09 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: Screwtape
Yeah, bring previous cheaters back, that will really make TWL appealing.
Working for XPL - Will work for CEVO, should work for TWL, let the AC do the job.
Plus it's not like you even play.
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rainmaker42
TeamWarfare Vet
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| 07-14-2010 03:04 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: Xicles
Originally posted by: rainmaker42
budlight
I play with him everday, he isn't cheating and if I thought he was I would leave the team. Try again...
My bad, I didnt realize that you could repeat General's defense of Swift. Your words have such wisdom that I admit defeat and will not even attempt to try again.
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Imabadfishy
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| 07-14-2010 03:12 PM / profile
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At least name one more cheater because apparently they are EVERYWHERE.
Post edited by Xicles at 7/14/2010 3:13:05 PM
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Screwtape
TeamWarfare Vet
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| 07-14-2010 03:37 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: financial
Plus it's not like you even play.
Fair enough.
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x t r
TWL Member
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| 07-14-2010 03:39 PM / profile
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I will handle this rain..
Xicles, here is the general perspective among the collective veterans of the game. When you have a known cheater with multiple banned accounts. Then you put that with all the sketchy things he does. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
Lets talk about you for a min.. You come outa know where at the end of 09 and your one of the best players over night? Next, you join up with the "ex-cheater" squad? Plus on top of that your mute? Get the f outa here. One could think, your another ex-cheater who is circumventing and doesnt want anyone to know your voice. Since someone could put 1 and 1 together to make 2.
Post edited by x t r at 7/14/2010 3:41:15 PM
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Imabadfishy
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| 07-14-2010 04:34 PM / profile
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I started comp at the end of 08. I was terrible and got progressively better over two years of playing this game. That is more than enough time to get decent at a video game. I quit this game and went to cod4 for a while then decided I wanted to scrim some AA. When I did Noofy told me to tag up and for a while I said no because I knew of his and bud's cheating past. I did continue to scrim with them and against them for a couple weeks and I realized that while they were good players they were definitely not cheaters. So yes they are ex-cheaters and they get non-stop shit for it but they do not currently cheat. And I guess we will prove that to you in cevo..Like Financial said...trust the AC. Either way only bud has been named as a cheater "running rampant" and rainmaker makes it sound like there are several. I have no history of cheating and am 100% legit so if you think I cheat you are mistaken. Oh and thanks for saying I am "one of the best players".
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rainmaker42
TeamWarfare Vet
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| 07-14-2010 04:57 PM / profile
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I would name all of biz and hd but I am afraid of being made foolish by your infallible logic mr.x
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