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Jesterss
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| 07-15-2010 07:49 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: Prada-
Originally posted by: Xicles
A "known and widespread history of cheating" yet im not aware of it? You sir are stupid. That is all.
Yes, unaware because you seem to have arrived when there were 10 teams left in this game. All you have for information are the words of the cheaters you're playing/associating yourself with.
good point^.. but back to topic, I think there have been quite a few good posts here as to what people are looking for..
next step is to get something rolling on the next league and advertise better... incentives - something..
timely answers most importantly (and not playing the run around game with going here and emailing there)..
have an admnin post the weeks matchups in forums (even if they dont always get the most popular attention), dont leave it to the players to post it.. like russ said, admins should be the ones to get the ball rolling..
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rainmaker42
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| 07-15-2010 09:46 PM / profile
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oh and one of the admins need to help me with my cdc.
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spanker-
TWL Member
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| 07-16-2010 03:32 AM / profile
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Originally posted by: Xicles
Originally posted by: Screwtape
Originally posted by: Xicles
I knew of [n00fy] and bud's cheating past.
Wow, and he's on your roster... could've sworn TWL had rules against harboring cheaters... guess this is turning into XPL or whatever "cheat and still play" league you keep bringing up...
Noofy got caught cheating in a pub and according to the rules "•1st offense: Player banned from TWL for 1 year. (Starting from the date the player was banned)
" He was banned well over a year and made a new account because previous admins wouldn't lift the ban. He made a new account and was banned again before ever playing a match. If you want to complain about rules not being upheld then they should all be upheld not just the ones you see fit.
pacman/DaWg[HAZARD]/np.powder - you can read all about it on drama since you apparently know nothing of noofy's past.
he is banned for evading(twice, once with your team and again with HAZARD - lifetime ban) and cheating in a match(lifetime ban) as well. CDC has always been good because the bans here stick and it is very hard to evade(trust me I have seen the admin panel here and it logs literally everything).
as to the league...
- second chances are good. it's why I can post here again. don't go back and look over every single person banned, but perhaps on an individual basis as requested. obviously CDC bans wouldn't be lifted ever.
- abolish the Leadership forums being the final word in decision making. asking for community input, then falling back on leadership forums when things don't go the way you want is a cop out. start polls in the public forums, delete any spam/trolls/etc and ban them from the forums until the poll is over. idiots don't deserve to have an opinion.
- army has always had, aside from TWL recently, a fairly quick and painless match system. 3 rounds, then switch just breaks the game up and makes it unnecessarily long. especially on long range maps where you will need 3 rounds just to figure the rotation of strat the other team is using.
- dockside should never be a tie breaker map. uneven, random spawns don't have the 'fair' feel of better tie breaker maps such as urban and sandstorm.
- long range maps should be included, though kept to a minimum. BSE, river basin and MA are the best choices. farm raid and hq raid have always been favourites of mine, however most people will dismiss them because of tweaks.
- I agree that CSAR is a great map to play during a season or tourny. it's quite an intense map and has lots of room for all kinds of nerdy strats and spam shots. most people don't know it though, like village for example, so they don't want to play it.
- map vote is a good idea, but limit it to only a few decisions. mout, ic, urban, pipe, tunnel, wc are the staples of army and should be used as such. whereas the other maps should be voted on one way or another by the community, and stuck to.
- twl has always been on Monday@930est. it is beyond me why that would be changed. afraid of competition for your league night?
- admins need to get the word out. AACommand is a good site to do it at. it houses most the competitive teams left.
a tourny would be a good idea. double elim, rotating maps and RNG to seed teams. post about it on AACommand and see if the interest is there to do such a thing, since summertime is nearly over.
Post edited by spanker- at 7/16/2010 3:52:34 AM
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masood.
TWL Member
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| 07-16-2010 04:40 AM / profile
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Implement everything that spanker just said about the league for next season and I'm pretty sure that almost everybody would have a better time with twl.
I would also like to stress the point about the leadership forums. It would have been nice to have some input on the map lists over the years
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financial
TWL Member
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Russd3
TeamWarfare Vet
Retired Sr. Staff
TWL Contributor
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| 07-16-2010 10:22 AM / profile
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"- twl has always been on Monday@930est. it is beyond me why that would be changed. afraid of competition for your league night?"
It has been 9pm for several years now.
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Jesterss
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| 07-16-2010 02:21 PM / profile
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i wouldn't say "several", but I do remember when it went to 9:00.. but it was originally 9:30 for a couple years too..
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masood.
TWL Member
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| 07-16-2010 02:56 PM / profile
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The later the time the better.
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Blu1ce20
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| 07-16-2010 04:14 PM / profile
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oh nvm, i didn't see spanker's posts. Spanker's suggestions are good.
Post edited by Blu1ce20 at 7/16/2010 4:16:52 PM
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rainmaker42
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| 07-16-2010 04:15 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: spanker-
BSE, river basin and MA are the best choices. farm raid and hq raid have always been favourites of mine, however most people will dismiss them because of tweaks.
- I agree that CSAR is a great map to play during a season or tourny. it's quite an intense map and has lots of room for all kinds of nerdy strats and spam shots. most people don't know it though, like village for example, so they don't want to play it.
agree with the first paragraph (farm and hq were two of my favorites before night was turned into day) and would add bridge as another standard outdoor map.
village is a good map as well. while I think the staple maps should show up in every league I would like a tiny bit of diversity as well. (I would even enjoy oasis, hospital, woodland, and dusk if thrown in occasionly)
for a 10 week league I think the maplist should be- tunnel, ic, wc, pipe, mout, rb, ma, three rotating maps, and urban as the sole OT map.
Post edited by rainmaker42 at 7/16/2010 4:20:30 PM
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Blu1ce20
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| 07-16-2010 04:18 PM / profile
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See admins, here is some great suggestions. I hope you are taking notes and understanding that this community can provide some positive feedback amongst the pile of spam. You guys just need to listen and sift through the crap. Hope these things help
Post edited by Blu1ce20 at 7/16/2010 4:19:26 PM
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-ninja!
TWL Member
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| 07-16-2010 05:13 PM / profile
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I think dividing this league into invite and open again is a must. It's good for competition, knowing that every week you could play a respectable team. I think financial's division of the two leagues is accurate too.
Thirteen teams for an invite division is close to if not a bit more than the amount of invite teams in the last twl league with an invite and open league. Not a lot, but much better than recently. I think at least? Also, I think more open teams would register for the league because they trust twl, having used twl to play in ladders.
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Blu1ce20
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| 07-16-2010 05:22 PM / profile
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twl should pay hydra to update CDC. With all the advertisements etc, you guys should have some loot to pay the guy that developed ur anticheat?
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spanker-
TWL Member
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| 07-16-2010 05:50 PM / profile
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Noofy was banned for cheating in a match on CDC(np.powder) and evading his ban twice later on(nx.noofy & some audigy name as well I believe). you tell me if you think he will get unbanned after cheating in a match then attempting to evade twice.
I have been down this road before with Noofy in Mediocrity and the answer is always the same, trust me. no matter how much good he does for the community, he cheated in a match and has to live with that in the leagues that banned him. he waited out his CAL ban for the year then played there, but TWL actually had a client at that point so it wasn't a ban off demos. the client banned him and that's that. get over it.
TWL was always at 930est on Monday until russd hurr derp'd it to 900est for some reason. probably read two posts in the leadership forums about it from ladder teams that don't even play in the league and decided to change it. can't wait to see this new league crash and burn with you at the helm like you did to TWL.
Originally posted by: rainmaker42
for a 10 week league I think the maplist should be- tunnel, ic, wc, pipe, mout, rb, ma, three rotating maps, and urban as the sole OT map.
this is an excellent maplist. I would suggest using it, and having the community vote on the 3 rotating maps every season. it is also very flexible for shorter length seasons, just drop any of the 3 rotating maps and then rb/tunnel to shorten it up to 5/6/8/10 weeks. I would suggest these maps to rotate with the regular map list, along with times:
Bridge SE(5min)
Border(5min)
CSAR(4min)
Sandstorm(3min) - OT Urban
Swamp Raid(4min)
Urban Assault(3min) - OT Sandstorm
Village(6min)
Weapons Cache SE(5min)
Woodland Outpost(4min)
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streaker
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| 07-16-2010 07:17 PM / profile
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pay attention to financial and spanker....
and i will concur, league time use to be at 930, until literally a yr and half ago when it got changed to 9- making it extremely difficult for pst players who work 9-5 to make it home during rush hour to play.
and the leadership forum is garbage, i was one of few that have used it over the past year- get rid of it
Post edited by streaker at 7/16/2010 7:20:50 PM
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x t r
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| 07-16-2010 07:20 PM / profile
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Could bring the map list voting to the public section rather than the leadership forums. Also, split the voting between open and inter leagues.
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Blu1ce20
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| 07-16-2010 08:53 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: x t r
Could bring the map list voting to the public section rather than the leadership forums. Also, split the voting between open and inter leagues.
i like that idea. But i want to expand what your saying to include everything league related to the forefront to get everyone's fair input. The whole thing is communication (whether good or bad).
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Russd3
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TWL Contributor
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| 07-16-2010 09:36 PM / profile
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Nice to see this is unlocked again. Nooz, might want to have a chat with the staff about locking threads that have a lot of constructive feedback... If there are problems with a few posts those people should be dealt with directly instead of punishing the entire community by shutting down a productive thread. Kinda gives a perception to the community that the staff doesn't really care which I am sure is not the case. Perception is a very important thing and that is not a perception you want the community to have of the staff.
Anywho, keep the suggestions coming. On a side note I was the one that initiated the change to 9pm a few years ago after a poll of the community was taken. The majority of the people seemed to favor the change at the time. With that said the community is much smaller and the majority of who is left may very well prefer 9:30pm now. I have not seen anyone chime in supporting 9pm as of yet so that is a change that staff might want to consider looking into more.
Post edited by Russd3 at 7/16/2010 9:41:42 PM
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Blu1ce20
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| 07-17-2010 12:29 AM / profile
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How do the admins feel about all of this?
Post edited by Blu1ce20 at 7/17/2010 12:29:53 AM
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-Re.fl.ex-
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TWL Retired Staff
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| 07-17-2010 12:48 AM / profile
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Time :
I agree with the time change to 930. Im on the West Coast and it was always hard to get home in time to play/admin a match @ 6 PST.
Bans :
With the current state of AA, I agree that some issued bans need to be looked at a second time (Forum/Smurfing/ect). I think where the line will be drawn is whether or not the player was caught cheating during a twl match. I don't see us re-instating any of those players. I mean, how fair would it be to know that you might have to play against a guy that was previously caught cheating during a TWL match?
If any bans need to be appealed. E-mail highflyr@teamwarfare.com , nooz@teamwarfare.com , or myself reflex@teamwarfare.com . I don't ban or re-instate players, but I can bring it to High's of Nooz's attention if you don't succeed at contacting them.
Maps :
I agree Dockside should be eliminated from being the OT map. I have always liked Sandstorm for an OT map... but this decision should be left up to the community. As for outdoor maps, It is a must to bring these back. RB, MA.... don't worry, they are on there way back. A balanced map selection will be a crucial point for the upcoming league. This isn't a decision I see being made by the admin team either. When the time comes, we will poll you guys on a maplist.
Divisions :
This all comes down to how many teams sign up. I personally hate consolidation. The "Inter" teams run through the "Open" teams like a knife in water. When open teams know they can no longer compete, they eventually drop out and go back to strictly pubbing. It's no fun if your getting crushed everyweek. If enough teams can commit to a season, then hopefully we can run an Open and Intervites league. This will make for better matches and should lead to less teams throwing in the towel early in the season.
TimeFrame :
When do you guys want to see the Next League? September, October ? Would you like to see a Double Elimination Tourney before it? Maybe a late summer Tourney, followed by an Early Winter League? Chime in so we know whats up.
X-Fire : Someone mentioned this eariler. Mine is xdraususx . Feel free to contact me anytime. If im AFK, leave me a message.
Lastley I want to say thanks to everyone that has chimed in on the matter. Keep the idea's coming. As you can see I didn't discuss all your questions/ideas/concerns, but I did discuss subjects that are somewhat in my court. For issues about CDC ect... Nooz, High, and Utiq can better answer your questions/ideas/concerns than I can.
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