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Dieslut
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10-02-2009 03:31 PM / profile

At the current rate of discontent within the Democratic Party to pass far left legislation and the lack of focus to fix more real time problems. The growing perception that the current administration could be seen as a bigger flounder than the previous administration. Leads me to think that if the Republican Party plays its cards right it should be able to regain control of American politics for a one last ditch effort to show the American people that one of the 2 parties in our 2 party system can do its job.

I personally believe it can happen and in 2010 it will start. California and NY the 2 big dog blue states have shown everyone that given enough time living in utopia you will get one hell of a head ace in the end. EU has been figuring this out for some time now and still barely floating the idea. Preaching liberty and freedom for all while systematically oppressing the masses can be achieved by incrementallisem but one should learn when and where to stop it before it becomes obvious to everyone. California especially learned that lesson and will pay dearly for it. I donít expect a land slide but I do expect Cali to be a red state in 2012 and the votes will come from Acorn people who were previously under the spell of the Democrats.

New York will start a shift but will move slower than Cali if anything they may actually become a true middle ground state? This would be a good thing for everyone to try. Itís time for politics to get away from tit for tat and far left and right agendas. The party that masters this and shows the people it is up to the real change for the American people will smell like a rose in the end. This favors the Republicans at the moment should they see the writing on the wall. The Democrats have pretty much screwed up their chance for an easy run on this. But I dare not say it would be impossible but I will say 2010 is a bust for them. Republicans can and should steam roller them if they donít slack!!
-n00bie.
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10-02-2009 03:34 PM / profile

Amen
Pillbug
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10-02-2009 03:50 PM / profile

I can tell you that my observation in the WNY region is that there could be a large growing Independent Candidate movement as well as many people voting Independent and Conservative.

We'll see. It's a long time til 11/2010, but that's the sentiment so far. A handful of Republicans are running Independent this time around.

Democrats still in majority and controlling things around here, but they're losing steam.
Dieslut
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10-02-2009 03:56 PM / profile

Originally posted by: Pillbug
I can tell you that my observation in the WNY region is that there could be a large growing Independent Candidate movement as well as many people voting Independent and Conservative.

We'll see. It's a long time til 11/2010, but that's the sentiment so far. A handful of Republicans are running Independent this time around.

Democrats still in majority and controlling things around here, but they're losing steam.
Thanks for the first hand input. Glad to see I am not OTF In my assumptions on NY.
Pillbug
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10-02-2009 04:11 PM / profile

Originally posted by: Dieslut
Originally posted by: Pillbug
I can tell you that my observation in the WNY region is that there could be a large growing Independent Candidate movement as well as many people voting Independent and Conservative.

We'll see. It's a long time til 11/2010, but that's the sentiment so far. A handful of Republicans are running Independent this time around.

Democrats still in majority and controlling things around here, but they're losing steam.
Thanks for the first hand input. Glad to see I am not OTF In my assumptions on NY.


Well, WNY pretty much follows what downstate does, kind of. We're a small segment of the population even though Greater Buffalo is the 2nd largest metropolitan area behind NYC.

Being so involved in following politics, I talk quite often with friends and one thing I've noticed, is that there seems to be a shit ton of historically Democrat-voting and/or slightly left-of-center people are either disenfranchised or disgusted with the current political atmosphere.

That wouldn't mean much if the following weren't also true:
1) I'm not hearing Bush as the target of their woes anymore
2) I'm hearing more complaints about how money is wasted
3) I'm hearing a lot of so-and-so sucks or fuck so-and-so

This leads me to believe that 2010 will be a huge year for challengers around here, and it will probably end up giving victories to those who have the strongest fiscal conservative platform/message.

#1 above won't mean much at the local levels, but will mean a ton at the state & federal levels where people can start showing that today's problems only have their roots in the Bush Administration, but also remember that it's been the Obama Administration that has been pruning the hedges, tilling the soil and planting new seeds of waste & irresponsibility.

That's my guess, but we'll see.

Like I said, there's a long time before the mid-terms. Tons could happen. We've got 5 economic quarters left, I think, and a whole Black Friday through Christmas season to boost the economy. And then there's Afghanistan... could turn into Obama's new trouble if it's mishandled.
Dieslut
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10-02-2009 04:41 PM / profile

Long time indeed. I do believe in not counting your chickenís philosophy but I will play odds. Economically speaking we started this fiscal quarter with a big boom bust. When will we hit stable ground on economics and unemployment? I think this whole year will be one big bust at a minimum before we see stable ground. We need jobs not health care!

If I am reading right what Mr. O wants to do in Afghanistan now? I think he might be cutting off his nose to spite his face. Less troops more training = More time for bad guys to get their shit together. This will only lead to handing our new trainees over to fight a well established enemy which will lead to 100% defeat. This plan sounds good if you only want to hear that the troops are coming homeÖ If you ask me itís the easy wrong over the hard right action. But an action none the less for rebuttal purposes. We will be back over their more to clean up the mess. Why drag this war out any longer than need be, go in and tear some ass up and keep them crazyís off balance while you train a new army to keep the pressure on them while we leave?
Pillbug
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10-02-2009 05:02 PM / profile

Once this Health Care nightmare passes(read: fails), they'll move back to the economy and that's where they will do the most damage to themselves.

Health Care needs reforming, but they need to keep it simple: open up competition across state lines and regulate the insurers.

But they won't do that because the socialists and the Progressives in the Party won't let it go like that.


I give it 2-3 months before the health care thing croaks(or sooner), and then they're going to start trying to fix all the holes in the economy with taxation bubble gum and it just won't work.

We're going to end up revisiting the late 70s when we had insanely high interest rates, out of control inflation and a President that doesn't know his head from his ass.

PBO is losing credibility by the day, losing steam, losing support and has not done one damn thing about shoring up his party and working as a team to pound through legislation like the '94 Republicans did with the Contract with America, and keep in mind, they had a Dem Pres at the time. Clinton helped on many fronts: balance the budget, etc, but the Republicans had a solidifying figure in strong-arm Newt Dog & the G.O.P.
Dieslut
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10-02-2009 05:30 PM / profile

I would like to think that he will work on the economy but why is my gut telling me he will work on cap and trade next? So far what have we got accomplished? We are in debt over our heads and lately all we got done is federal employeeís canít drive and text LOL!

Back to health care. What I find poetic justice and wrong at the same time is this should HC pass the baby boomers who are now on Medicare and the founding fathers of the current democratic system are going to eat it from their own padawans. Now as much as I would love to see them eat some humble pie I sure in the hell donít want innocent bystanders getting caught up in this mess. So I truly hope it does not fly as it is written today. Like you said the system only needs a tweeking not an overhaul from the ground up redesigned body style the whole nine yards. Shit thatís what helped in screwing GM

Life rule #1 never fuck with your elders. They brought you into this world and they can take you out!
~~Snake~~
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10-02-2009 06:47 PM / profile

Obama 1 term! Thats it.
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10-02-2009 07:17 PM / profile

The one issue that New York has to overcome is it's unions.


The Democratic Party owns the unions... and, quite frankly, if I were a union worker, I would be hard pressed to vote against something that protects so much of my livelyhood.

Even though I've been griping in other threads about municipal waste in other threads, I have peers and family who collect from these sources.
Indirectly, I'm hurting them by advocating a change to the wasteful system that provides their families with an income.

Still... you have to do what's best for the community... but it's a hard sell.
Dieslut
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10-02-2009 08:05 PM / profile

Originally posted by: Bibimbap
The one issue that New York has to overcome is it's unions.


The Democratic Party owns the unions... and, quite frankly, if I were a union worker, I would be hard pressed to vote against something that protects so much of my livelyhood.

Even though I've been griping in other threads about municipal waste in other threads, I have peers and family who collect from these sources.
Indirectly, I'm hurting them by advocating a change to the wasteful system that provides their families with an income.

Still... you have to do what's best for the community... but it's a hard sell.
Well I suppose that itís a matter of time before the unions push big business to the point of moving to Canada that one might realize that the union was not so much a friend as it was a saboteur? But yes unions have become more powerful than the government that allowed them to flourish so they will be hard to deal with. The great misconception from union stewards and reps is that the Republicans want to abolish unions all together and to vote against them, most people buy into this thought since they love their $35 hour job when it should be $15. But I would be hard pressed to show over the years how the Republicans have dismantled the unions and screwed up peopleís lives. What I see is that the Republicans donít want them getting any bigger and more powerful; have no need of Jimmy Hoffaís these days and with all the laws and regulations in place from the government we really donít need unions hazing the businesses that keep this country running.

But that will be the peoples decision in how much longer they can strangle their employer and how much longer he will deal with it before pulling the plug like many a company has done to date. Falls back to an old saying of donít kick a gift horse in the teeth. I believe if the pay sucks and you donít like it then find another jobÖ
Cocytus
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10-03-2009 10:30 AM / profile

Obama 4 terms: 2012, 2016, 2020!
HillaryClintonsCleavage
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10-03-2009 11:31 AM / profile

Well traditional the non-presidential party picks up seats in the next non-presidential election.

However, Republicans have a problem because the Republican brand is in the shitter.


In short, there's no question that the GOP party brand is in worse shape than any opposition party in recent memory. The question, however, is whether this difference in party valence will (a) persist through next November and (b) translate into fewer GOP House seats at the polls, especially once we account for the generic Congressional ballot, which should (in principle) take much of this difference into account (see Alan Abramowitz's model, for instance). Those questions remain to be addressed.


http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/2009/10/the-effect-of-party-valence-on-midterms.html
Stryk
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10-03-2009 11:32 AM / profile

Originally posted by: Cocytus
Obama 4 terms: 2012, 2016, 2020!
We won't get past 2012 since that's when the world ends.

But in 2010, the republicans won't make that many gains. The American public isn't that short. 2012 probably but not 2010.

The republicans are a bunch of self-serving politicians which try to be Democrat-lites to garner votes. The public reviles this.

Especially since the tactic from the Left has been to use Obama as a lightning rod for negative press. Most of the things people object have come really come from Congress. The Stimulus package and healthcare. So people haven't focused on Congress for this stuff like they should have.

So no, I think the Republicans might actually gain enough to be a stumbling block in the Senate with the ability to hold a filibuster. But even then, that only makes the the more RINOie RINOs more valuable as they sell out.
[-NM-] -SS-
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10-03-2009 12:23 PM / profile

If the cycle started right now, most of this garbage legislation wouldnt even be considered since those in power want to preserve their elite status -party irrelevant.

The problem is that the public's memory is short and next year's cycle is still a long way off.

Maybe more and more people have had enough of both factions and vote an Indie to replace their asses.

Dieslut
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10-03-2009 02:12 PM / profile

Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
If the cycle started right now, most of this garbage legislation wouldnt even be considered since those in power want to preserve their elite status -party irrelevant.

The problem is that the public's memory is short and next year's cycle is still a long way off.

Maybe more and more people have had enough of both factions and vote an Indie to replace their asses.

I wish the cycle would start like yesterday!!! The anointed ones in DC need to fear for their jobsÖ

Public memory LOL!!! Is what these days 2 weeks? Give or take a day depending on the topicÖ But I do believe that people will always remember who is currently in charge by party and will remember all the really bad things that happened to them during that reign of terror. Negative actions will almost always get you an opposite vote just out of human spite. Democrats would probably never win if Republicans didnít have a sense of values and show you them at voting time.

I personally know way more Republicans that have voted Democrat then Democrats voting Republican, only know one. Personally I am one of those scum bags so shoot me now Now that does not mean Democrat is better in our world of flip floppers itís our way of showing our party to get the lead out of its ass! I personally like voting for a good ďtrue purpleĒ Indi
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10-03-2009 03:34 PM / profile

I hear ya. I didnt vote for either one this past election and didnt select a single person on the down ticket either. There was only a single vote on there: my name written in.

Truly, they all need to go.

As it stands right now, its nearly a hopeless fight.
MolimOrion
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10-03-2009 04:03 PM / profile

Originally posted by: Dieslut
I personally like a good “true purple” Indica


Fixed
Dieslut
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10-03-2009 04:25 PM / profile

Originally posted by: MolimOrion
Originally posted by: Dieslut
I personally like a good “true purple” Indica


Fixed
Moli that would be Cush, Gold died decades ago Now get back on track
Dieslut
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10-03-2009 04:27 PM / profile

Anyone have ideas on what my sexy MILF Palin will do in 2012? As much as I make jokes about her being president I donít think she will do it. With that said I will be the first to make a predictionÖ I will say she will go after the DOS position and at worst take a czar position having something to do with mother nature.
samUwell
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10-03-2009 05:10 PM / profile

its possible that the RINO's can make a come back but in order for them to do this, they need to play their cards correctly. and the deck will come from those who voted for TARP and the (lol)stimulus bill.

IMO, every single member that voted yes to both of those bills is on the hot seat right now and any new comer can use it to their advantage.

of course this angle could change depending if this stupid stimulus bill can actually do something positive. i expect to see the fringe media begin to prop up BS stories about how the stimulus bill is working so its going to take a lot on our part to put them back on the hot seat.

all i can say is that if i were running for a seat, i would use those two bills against my opponent at every single chance i can. i would do everything to remind my peeps that so and so if fucking you all over by voting for those bills.

i would then remind everyone that the US government is the single most corrupt and inept entity on the planet; the banks and insurance companies are a close second and my opponent voted to give each of them your money and more power.

now, about cali. the people are getting very tired of being taxed to death like we are. not only that but we are also getting tired of the intellectual authoritarian assholes (read: progressives) telling everyone how to live. however, we have a shit ton of progressives living here and they are more than willing to give up more of their liberties to the govt in order to force the rest of us to live as they want us too.

in other words, cali is up in the air at this point.
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