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=)BiT(=Budrick_3
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| 06-08-2012 11:43 PM / profile
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Sup TWL community.
I would like to suggest the removal of foreign teams based on ping differences presenting an unfair advantage to the players with the higher ping.
We have presented this problem to a TWL admin in IRC, and the admins declared that the our team with the lower ping has the distinct advantage. Under most cases, the TWL admins would be 100% correct with the exception of Battlefield 3.
You see, Battlefield 3's net code is such that when a player shoots and kills another person, everything is calculated on the clients side. Example : If a high ping player decides to round a corner in a close quarters situation, he will actually be presented with a small but distinct window of opportunity to shoot before his opposition does.
So where as the advantage with the lower ping used to be with the lowest ping player, this is not the case anymore since deaths are calculated on the client side, and then presented to the server to update other players about the kill/death event.
I know this maybe a controversial subject, but I at least would like TWL admins & officials to understand / acknowledge that the clients with the lowest ping are actually at a disadvantage instead of an advantage since deaths are calculated on the client side instead of the server.
Thank you guys for your time.
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.c.recon
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xCoY
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| 06-14-2012 08:14 AM / profile
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i didnt agree, i have a solution for this case, my team is from brazil, if u want we play in a brazilian server... What do you think? I didnt mind to play with that "advantage" on ur side.
All the matchs we play with 150ms ping against guys got 18~40ms ping.
In all competitions we "foreign" teams, always acept to play with that ping difference,
What u think? Lets change the sides? We play with 40ping u guys play with 150. I didnt got any problem with that. We pass this "advantage" to your team without any problem.
Post edited by xCoY at 6/14/2012 8:15:28 AM
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.c.recon
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| 06-14-2012 12:02 PM / profile
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it doesn't really solve the problem tho. it just moves it.
the better solution would be separate ladders for global regions.
Or we can all get servers in South Mexico.
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xCoY
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| 06-14-2012 12:35 PM / profile
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He said we got advantage with that ping difference. I didn't agree, if u guys never play with 150ms against 20ms guys, try to do it and after that come here and post.
Me, has a Brazilian player, i really agree to play against any american giving that "advantage" to then.
I think all Latin america teams accept to play with this situation i post before. Why? Just because we always play with that "advantage" like u said. Dont have any problem to move out this situation and make our life harder. Because i really sure its much worst got 150 ping and play against 20 ping guys, than the inverse.
Post edited by xCoY at 6/14/2012 12:36:24 PM
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deceptivElusion
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| 06-14-2012 10:27 PM / profile
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It has always seemed that when we play against South American teams, I seem to register a lot more shots before I'm able to kill the player. As I understand it Battlefield 3 registers shots on each client's computer instead of the server, which in short terms means even though you (as a low pinger) appear to be just getting behind cover, that information being relayed through the server is getting to the higher pingers a few miliseconds later; therefore he can still hit your hitboxes for a smidge after you appear to be behind cover.
I think this does present an unfair advantage. TWL had it right by starting off with making NA leagues and NA ladders - now where are the SA leagues and SA ladders?
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xCoY
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| 06-15-2012 06:52 AM / profile
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I guess dont got enough teams to do a SA ladder~League.
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ALDO.RICCO
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| 06-15-2012 10:40 AM / profile
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Originally posted by: =)BiT(=Budrick_3
ping differences presenting an unfair advantage to the players with the higher ping.
Example : If a high ping player decides to round a corner in a close quarters situation, he will actually be presented with a small but distinct window of opportunity to shoot before his opposition does.
LOL at you kid.
It's the exact opposite way.I've been playing competitive FPS for the past 10 years and there is NOTHING BUT DISADVANTAGE when playing with high ping.
You're creating this thread because ure mad u lost in OT vs a very good brazilian team "Ceska Zebrojvka".
Grow up, get good dedicated players in your roster and practice the sh*t out of BF3 instead of blaming your losses due to ping.
If losing playing with lower ping it's the LACK OF SKILL on your side nothing else.
Post edited by ALDO.RICCO at 6/15/2012 10:40:56 AM
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.c.recon
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| 06-15-2012 10:58 AM / profile
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that's just not true aldo. I've seen plenty of situations where the high pingers have a slight advantage. Some of the advantages manifest themselves in either ghosting and/or hit reg and/or warping.
i remember I joined some german server in bc2 and i had like a 300 ping and while i could hit them they could not hit me for shit. im talking POINT BLANK, i had plenty of time to non-chalantly pull out my pistol indiana jones style and they're just firing away the whole time hitting thin air.
I agree that NORMALLY the high pingers are at a disadvantage but this doesn't seem to apply to BF games.
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Broseephus-Wc
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| 06-15-2012 11:39 AM / profile
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Yeah we played against some Venezuelans last night on Tehran and they were definitely killing us behind corners way more often than other teams.
I'm not saying it's 100% advantage for higher ping players, but the game surely plays much differently.
The biggest thing I notice when playing against higher than average ping players (>100) is when they jump over things with the "vault" animation, like rails or dumpsters. I will be shooting at them in the animation only for them to teleport 20 feet ahead and be shooting at me.
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xCoY
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| 06-15-2012 03:44 PM / profile
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I repeat, i guess all South America teams didn't mind to change this "problem" to their side.
You guys talk that, i propose in next round we change the situation, so maybe u guys gonna see what we pass trough and who got the real "advantage".
What do you think? Lets change the side?
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Caxias
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| 06-15-2012 09:07 PM / profile
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As a brazilian like xCoY, I have to disagree with removing foreign team. I do prefer play with better ping, so, if you like to play at a foreign server, no problem. The fact is that higher ping is an awful thing for us, I cannot see any advantage on it.
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Cymera
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| 06-15-2012 10:19 PM / profile
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Talk to Nexus, wKa, or cRucial about the wonderful fun they've had playing Nex Impetus, a VERY good Brazilian team.
We (Nexus) played them in the CGL 8v8 Finals and it was a pain in the butt dealing with the warping and randomness (i.e. "why the hell isn't he dead and how did he end up 10 feet ahead?!") that came with the ping differential.
I wouldn't say that having a high ping is 'always' an advantage or disadvantage (having played nex-i and quite a bit of ESL), but it certainly facilitates some weird situations/reg.
I've raped/been raped as a result of having high pings against Euro teams on their servers. The issue in this game, from my experience, is not that high pings give an advantage/disadvantage, but that the higher the differential, the more frequent weird reg/lag/warping occurs.
Hell, even playing on Divine is 5's West Coast server gave our teams headaches at times! 
That being said, I don't think it is necessarily cause to remove 'foreign' teams. If this game were more active, there would be regional ladders/leagues; but, as it is, trying to enforce regional boundaries would just dilute the already thin BF3 team base, imo.
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Kwalc297
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| 06-15-2012 11:16 PM / profile
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This discussion is stupid.
Like xCoy said. If you want to have this "advantage" than go play on the south american servers instead of american servers when you play against a south american team.
If ping is truly the problem than you all should win with higher pings.
Stop crying and go play your matches on the higher ping servers if you feel this will give you an advantage.
Post edited by Kwalc297 at 6/15/2012 11:17:10 PM
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_B3a$t_
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| 06-16-2012 02:49 AM / profile
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recon and Cymera are correct. Playing with a higher ping in this game is an advantage, it's a fact. It's just how this game was created, if you get the chance to talk with any BF3 game dev, they will tell you this. In most cases, this isnt the case but this game is different.
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xCoY
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| 06-16-2012 08:29 AM / profile
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Originally posted by: _B3a$t_
recon and Cymera are correct. Playing with a higher ping in this game is an advantage, it's a fact. It's just how this game was created, if you get the chance to talk with any BF3 game dev, they will tell you this. In most cases, this isnt the case but this game is different.
Ok man, no problem, me, has a brazilian team, AGREE TO PASS THIS ADVANTAGE TO YOUR TEAM, GOT IT? Next time, u guys play on a South america server, what u say about it?
U say this situation we play now, higher ping is a Advantage, i pass this advantage to your team, or any USA team. So, whats gonna be the problem now?
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_B3a$t_
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| 06-16-2012 05:25 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: xCoY
Originally posted by: _B3a$t_
recon and Cymera are correct. Playing with a higher ping in this game is an advantage, it's a fact. It's just how this game was created, if you get the chance to talk with any BF3 game dev, they will tell you this. In most cases, this isnt the case but this game is different.
Ok man, no problem, me, has a brazilian team, AGREE TO PASS THIS ADVANTAGE TO YOUR TEAM, GOT IT? Next time, u guys play on a South america server, what u say about it?
U say this situation we play now, higher ping is a Advantage, i pass this advantage to your team, or any USA team. So, whats gonna be the problem now?
No need to get mad at me. I don't even play this game anymore. I'm just saying, for anyone who says it is not an advantage, you would be wrong. I think what you are doing is good, and I wish more SA teams did it. But a lot of them don't for obvious reasons.
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Kwalc297
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| 06-16-2012 05:40 PM / profile
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probably all of them wouldnt even care playing in SA servers.
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.c.recon
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| 06-18-2012 02:07 PM / profile
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MOVING the advantage doesn't solve any problems.
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xCoY
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| 06-18-2012 04:56 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: .c.recon
MOVING the advantage doesn't solve any problems.
Saying again, i pretty sure ANY SA team agree to play in SA servers, and move this "advantage u guys call" to your side.
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Kyle..
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| 06-18-2012 05:04 PM / profile
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Now rearrange those words and tell me what it says, because it says what arrange those words would be like rearranged.
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