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-Hybrid
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TWL Retired Staff
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| 06-12-2012 11:47 AM / profile
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Alright, we now have a crapfest with new weapons and variants among other things. So how this gets handled for competition will generally start out like this:
1. The lightweight perk will be allowed immediately as has been the case with the previous introduction of new perks.
2. The new weapons will be banned for at least 2-3 days so that they can be tested by the community and we can get a better idea about what can stay and what needs to go. Some of the variants seem alright to use right away but since the patch was only released a few hours ago I'd rather not have them being used in the upcoming matches. NO META-GAMING LOL!!
Use the next 2-3 days to test out the new gear and post your thoughts on the forum or send me a PM on IRC (would prefer the forum however).
Post edited by -Hybrid at 6/12/2012 1:09:57 PM
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Draynar
"Chain Whore"
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| 06-13-2012 10:38 AM / profile
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since no one else responding so far I think all of the weapons are ok except the Tech SMg doing 120 a shot and POSSIBLY the titan.
Nothing else has jumped out as unbalanced for comp play. (I wana use new pretty disks)
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Voss423
TWL Member
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| 06-13-2012 10:40 AM / profile
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Yeah I don't really think anything needs to be banned other than the tech smg. Every other weapon is reasonable. But I wouldn't mind waiting the few days for matches to pass.
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GuruIzZy
TeamWarfare Vet
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| 06-13-2012 11:29 AM / profile
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I haven't played enough to get a good feel for the new weapons. However, I can tell you that the Tech smg is just way too powerful.
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-Hybrid
TeamWarfare Vet
TWL Retired Staff
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| 06-13-2012 11:44 AM / profile
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The main complaints I've heard so far are with the new tech smg, the chain cannon, and the titan missile launcher. The titan missile launcher doesn't seem too bad in my opinion. The chain cannon is basically an upgraded doombringer chaingun but the complaints about it stem from being too over powered. The tech smg is just hilarious.
Also, as the next few days go by be sure to check out the recent rule updates stickied thread on the forum as that's where these bans/unbans will be posted along with other changes.
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Draynar
"Chain Whore"
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| 06-13-2012 01:47 PM / profile
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I didn't care for new chain gun with it's slower fire rate personally.
Titan I don't think is worth a comp ban. It's nothing like jackal or plasma if we're comparing. It's more like a weird thumper.
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Voss423
TWL Member
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| 06-13-2012 02:12 PM / profile
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On the banned weapons note, what about the Brute weapons from Stayin Alive pack?
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Draynar
"Chain Whore"
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| 06-13-2012 02:17 PM / profile
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Personally don't think either should be banned. Brute plasma is NOT nearly raider plasma. It's actually reasonable.
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-Hybrid
TeamWarfare Vet
TWL Retired Staff
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| 06-13-2012 03:59 PM / profile
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Yeah, in regards to the staying alive update, that stuff is going to be allowed. I actually held back on making it legal because I was waiting to see the details of the accelerate patch.
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Draynar
"Chain Whore"
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| 06-13-2012 10:22 PM / profile
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nvmd
Post edited by Draynar at 6/13/2012 10:27:36 PM
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LL-BLU-J
TWL Member
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| 06-14-2012 12:27 AM / profile
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I think everything but the technician smg is good. I like the titan launcher for the doombringer it actual gives the class 2 weapons to use.
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FatElvis
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| 06-14-2012 03:27 PM / profile
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In my view it's a waste of time to arbitrarily determine what is and what is no OP. Stop trying to ban everything and instead just let it be used. Every team can use it equally (IF THEY WISH) and it's fair for both sides. Otherwise we become reliant on teams KEEPING up on your decisions in forum posts, and also their honesty in game. One guy messes up...forgets uses a plasma in game...then what? Complaints and request for proof, etc. Be a lot simpler to stop trying to restrict things...No one can complain because they can use it too. Food for thought.
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Mindflayr
TeamWarfare Vet
TWL Retired Staff
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| 06-14-2012 04:49 PM / profile
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FatElvis - This is what they did but the comp community started running the game into the ground and getting bored of it very quickly because the imbalances were so noticible and made the game less fun.
The attempted restrictions are only here to try and keep the game competitively playable before the rest of the teams bail.
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-Hybrid
TeamWarfare Vet
TWL Retired Staff
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| 06-14-2012 06:05 PM / profile
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If I had it my way, you would never see me without infiltrator + jackal + smoke grenades!!
ESPORTS! 
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phr33ky
TWL Member
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| 06-17-2012 12:57 PM / profile
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The new brute fractal...
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SADDAM AL-TIKRITI
TeamWarfare Vet
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| 06-17-2012 04:34 PM / profile
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...lasts a whole 1 second longer than the standard one
EXTENDED
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-Hybrid
TeamWarfare Vet
TWL Retired Staff
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| 06-17-2012 06:58 PM / profile
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I've posted about this patch in the recent 7v7 updates thread. All items from the Accelerate patch are legal to use for now except for the Rockwind TCN4.
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Promethium-
TeamWarfare Vet
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| 06-17-2012 08:55 PM / profile
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Jim are you the monarch of this ladder?
What is your process to decide these things?
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Draynar
"Chain Whore"
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| 06-17-2012 10:04 PM / profile
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seems to be he posts for feedback then makes decisions based on that. Much like the thread says ><
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-Hybrid
TeamWarfare Vet
TWL Retired Staff
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| 06-17-2012 10:20 PM / profile
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post your thoughts on the forum or send me a PM on IRC (would prefer the forum however).
Most of the process of anything I do as an admin usually revolves around this HOHOHO. 
I’ll use an example like banning items and elaborate on the specific things I do to make these types of decisions. I’ll start off by making my rage thread in the admin forum and make certain that they are aware of what's happening currently in the game and what the initial general complaints/thoughts are (ie: from the hirez forum, what I've tested myself, private messages on IRC, etc). After that, I basically need to get a good feel of what the majority view is. Since I can't really make decisions on my own that don't reflect the best interests of the TWL community I have to get as many opinions as I can within a reasonable time frame on what needs to get banned and what can stay.
A lot of d00ds on this forum know that I tend to send private messages on IRC (not only to the top teams) to get these opinions. The process would be so much more faster if more people posted on this forum but I can understand it being a hassle and *insert anything*. I also get emails and messages in game (which I also use to gather opinions). That’s pretty much it, once I have enough to work with I’ll just lean towards the majority. Generally, all decisions are open to be reversed if the majority views change.
Tl;dr: I can’t do the whole monarch thing until hirez makes woodymyrk and adds bioderms. >:[
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Promethium-
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| 06-18-2012 12:16 AM / profile
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I like your style.
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