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Swordf1sh
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| 08-20-2012 11:01 PM / profile
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Stupid as fuck rule to allow more than one. Makes games boring as hell to play and watch.
Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to allow more than one of the most overpowered class in the game?
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420xxxPandaxxxyaDIG
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| 08-21-2012 12:16 AM / profile
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add +1. although id like to see how deadstop reacts to 050 3 snipers in csn semis...
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kniL
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| 08-21-2012 12:49 AM / profile
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Originally posted by: Swordf1sh
Stupid as fuck rule to allow more than one. Makes games boring as hell to play and watch.
Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to allow more than one of the most overpowered class in the game?
if people actually played against teams with 2 really good snipers they would understand why there should be a sentinel limit...
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BuhLitz
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| 08-21-2012 12:57 AM / profile
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Originally posted by: ya_dig
add +1. although id like to see how deadstop reacts to 050 3 snipers in csn semis...
guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Although I agree, I don't understand why this was allowed considering the 'standard' competitive games we played for the past few months pretty much revolved around a one sniper meta. I thought we as a community decided long ago that more than one sniper didn't belong, just like with shrikes and tanks.
Post edited by BuhLitz at 8/21/2012 12:58:04 AM
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darkpiecce
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| 08-21-2012 01:16 AM / profile
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ia m king
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kniL
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-Hybrid
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| 08-21-2012 04:13 PM / profile
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i m king
Rules have been updated:
-Class limit of 1 Sentinel per team.
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dodgepong
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NA Ladder Admin
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| 08-21-2012 05:48 PM / profile
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Whoa...this was kind of sudden. Can we not discuss this first, rather than reacting to 3 members of Beacon Stop, blitz, and ya_dig?
Ego doesn't even run more than 1 sniper, but that doesn't mean we should say "fuck due process". Other teams have input, too. Can we be a responsible community and talk about it to make sure there is consensus first?
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kniL
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| 08-21-2012 06:56 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: dodgepong
Whoa...this was kind of sudden. Can we not discuss this first, rather than reacting to 3 members of Beacon Stop, blitz, and ya_dig?
Ego doesn't even run more than 1 sniper, but that doesn't mean we should say "fuck due process". Other teams have input, too. Can we be a responsible community and talk about it to make sure there is consensus first?
ZFZ and Deadstop have pretty much been unanimous in their feelings on it and ZFZ is the only team right now that is really capable of it,
Legion is in semi agreeance on it I believe
Most people who laugh at the 2 sent nay-sayers only think of defense with 3 people on it, most people who are FOR the limit have played teams where they D stack and the game takes for fucking ever, it's not fun plain and simple.
Look at the ZFZ vs Legion game, top teams and each map went to the time limit with only like 2-3 caps, ZFZ even agrees and asked for the fucking rules to be changed and Wolf (from CSN) said it was never possible to run more than one sent and win... oops.
Post edited by kniL at 8/21/2012 6:58:19 PM
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LL-BLU-J
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| 08-21-2012 07:01 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: dodgepong
Whoa...this was kind of sudden. Can we not discuss this first, rather than reacting to 3 members of Beacon Stop, blitz, and ya_dig?
Ego doesn't even run more than 1 sniper, but that doesn't mean we should say "fuck due process". Other teams have input, too. Can we be a responsible community and talk about it to make sure there is consensus first?
+1 to what dodgepong said, even though i am in favor of only having 1 sniper, I think we should get feedback from other teams, before pulling the trigger on something as big as this. And this is off topic, but I think we should do the same thing about the map pool.
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NiNe-t-NiNe
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| 08-21-2012 07:05 PM / profile
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btw, we only ran three snipers for like 2 min max, and only ran two snipers for a minute or two. crzg was mostly raider and only had two snipe kills. kudos spent most of his time as dmb, pth, and tcn.
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kniL
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| 08-21-2012 07:14 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: NiNe-t-NiNe
btw, we only ran three snipers for like 2 min max, and only ran two snipers for a minute or two. crzg was mostly raider and only had two snipe kills. kudos spent most of his time as dmb, pth, and tcn.
3 minutes in tribes is like.... 1 hour.
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NiNe-t-NiNe
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| 08-21-2012 07:22 PM / profile
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so then they had like seven and a half hours to not cap at all with us only using one sen?
and what about dd? we only used one sen the whole time there and they lost that too.
Post edited by NiNe-t-NiNe at 8/21/2012 7:24:06 PM
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kniL
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| 08-21-2012 07:28 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: NiNe-t-NiNe
so then they had like seven and a half hours to not cap at all with us only using one sen?
and what about dd? we only used one sen the whole time there and they lost that too.
thats because j4j is a beast
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Star-Demon
A demon of some relation to a star
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| 08-21-2012 07:28 PM / profile
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Help me out, here.
Why are you making a rule about snipers?
I do not see what the problem is.
Next it'll be HO can't go past midfield...
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NiNe-t-NiNe
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| 08-21-2012 07:33 PM / profile
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because zfz innovator of three snipe d.
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DavidBowie
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| 08-21-2012 07:35 PM / profile
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I agree with limiting snipers, just that there should be a bit more due process here. Particularly since some high level teams have previously argued that any class limits restrict skill and 2 sent is a scrub strat that would never work at the highest level.
Next up, raider limits!
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kniL
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| 08-21-2012 07:39 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: DavidBowie
I agree with limiting snipers, just that there should be a bit more due process here. Particularly since some high level teams have previously argued that any class limits restrict skill and 2 sent is a scrub strat that would never work at the highest level.
Next up, raider limits!
funny thing is Blitz himself is against it, main argument being all our meta's revolve around 1 sniper.
Which is not a good argument I agree but let's just be realistic here... Tribes is not that fun to watch for the average joe sixpack, having 2 snipers on defense with 2 other defenders is just overkill to the joy.
Now here in lies a split and a counterargument I forsee, what if people like playing tribes slow? what if people like running 4 defenders? Well that's great but as a spectator sport it will die.
Stardemon I can't explain much to you if you really need to ask babe 
Also davidbowie a lot of people do want raider limit, I don't see that big of a deal with limiting raiders to 2 but that would be as far as I would go with the limitations unless hirez fucks us
Post edited by kniL at 8/21/2012 7:43:50 PM
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DavidBowie
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| 08-21-2012 08:01 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: kniL
Originally posted by: DavidBowie
I agree with limiting snipers, just that there should be a bit more due process here. Particularly since some high level teams have previously argued that any class limits restrict skill and 2 sent is a scrub strat that would never work at the highest level.
Next up, raider limits!
funny thing is Blitz himself is against it, main argument being all our meta's revolve around 1 sniper.
Which is not a good argument I agree but let's just be realistic here... Tribes is not that fun to watch for the average joe sixpack, having 2 snipers on defense with 2 other defenders is just overkill to the joy.
Now here in lies a split and a counterargument I forsee, what if people like playing tribes slow? what if people like running 4 defenders? Well that's great but as a spectator sport it will die.
Stardemon I can't explain much to you if you really need to ask babe
Also davidbowie a lot of people do want raider limit, I don't see that big of a deal with limiting raiders to 2 but that would be as far as I would go with the limitations unless hirez fucks us
yeah im with you bb grl. you may have to have present blitz time travel back to shut up past blitz though.
"Can you point to a single NASL game so far that had some team stacking snipers so bad that it was unenjoyable to watch? It's been stated several times that 2 snipers in 7's is not a problem, nobody asked for these changes. Seems arbitrary imo. -Buhlitz"
Source: http://forum.hirezstudios.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=307&t=72257&p=915530
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kniL
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| 08-21-2012 08:22 PM / profile
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damn david lol... thats some epic research you did 
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darkpiecce
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| 08-21-2012 08:29 PM / profile
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ia m king
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