Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~ I'm prochoice and for Civil unions since the gov't has no business telling religion anything. But I agree these are trivial matters compared to all the problems we have. There are certain things I like about RP. In fact Mitt and RP are friends. But their are many paranoid and stupid views he has that would basically get NOTHING done in Washington because he would alienate everyone. Getting Mitt into the office at least moves the country in a direction where many of RP's views could be implemented overtime. With Obama, nothing RP believes in will ever happen
If only I could believe that we could grow our way into smaller, less invasive, and less overreaching government.
That's where me and so many other Conservatives differ the greatest. Getting something done, when that something is absolutely terrible, isn't going to fix anything. It will only make our problems bigger and more expensive.
You are not the only Republican I have seen who falters on such fallacy. That video with Peter Schiff and the FHA showed a couple people exactly like you.......ones who wanted to know how to grow the FHA into a better organization.
As I often say in here, growing the government into fixing itself, along with our immediate problems that they create, is all but analogous to trying to fuck your way out of a venereal disease.
Sound Bites > Substance
Con Jobs > Consistency
Promises > Actions
I may steal this for a quote....giving credit of course. For more than anything because I have found myself susceptible to all these.
I have given more weight to sound bite than substance.
I have supported a waffler. (Kerry)
I have believed the promises BEFORE I looked at past actions.
It, to me, would be a nice reminder to not "fall for that shit" again. ______________________________________________________________________
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Originally posted by: FSB Such short memories...we keep doing the same shit over and over again.
because the CFR keeps putting the same people in power like, zbigniew brzezinski, to make sure the trans national corporations they work for, get what they want.
The American automobile industry has serious financial problems. Corporate executives from the Big Three (General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler) have testified before Congress about their need for federal credit (direct loans and guaranteed loans). This report examines the Chrysler loan guarantee program for possible insights that could assist Members of Congress in evaluating proposals to provide federal credit assistance. In 1979, Chrysler applied for federal loan guarantees. In 1979 and 1980, the economy was in recession and the price of oil had unexpectedly increased dramatically. However, at that time there was no financial liquidity crisis, as is the case today.
Such short memories...we keep doing the same shit over and over again.
Nice article
Realizing that the company would go out of business if it did not receive a significant amount of money to turn the company around, Iacocca approached the United States Congress on September 7, 1979 and asked for US$1.5 billion in loan guarantees. Congress reluctantly passed the "Chrysler Corporation Loan Guarantee Act of 1979" (Public Law 96-185) on December 20, 1979 (signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on January 7, 1980), prodded by Chrysler workers and dealers in every congressional district who feared the loss of their livelihoods. The military then bought thousands of Dodge pickup trucks which entered military service as the Commercial Utility Cargo Vehicle M-880 Series. With such help and a few innovative cars, Chrysler would manage to avoid bankruptcy and slowly recover.
It was before my time and I was unaware of the exact details of this "bailout".
It's funny how cyclical all of our problems really are.
I have been arguing that our economy has been in shambles since the 70's..........since Nixon Shock was implemented (not necessarily putting the blame directly on Nixon, that's just what it was called).
Our only real salvation was the implementation of deficit spending money we didn't have, like a crack head with new credit cards, and the tech bubble that came from a portion of that SDI spending.
Other than that.......our manufacturing has been dying exponentially. Our only other means of alleged "wealth".......since racking up all these astronomical deficits......has been investment banking schemes.
Saving and Loans.......Derivatives......Leveraging.......CDO's.....and other ponzi ideas of buying on margin that ultimately always causes an inevitable collapse (like it did during the Great Depression).
Now that our deficits are at maximum capacity, our credit is all but tapped, and we are leveraged to the max.........we are running out of ideas to keep our illusion of success going anymore.
We have gone so long without tangible products and ideas.....none the less people actually implementing them......that I'm not sure a turn around is even possible anymore.
All we have left is stealing money from one guy and giving it to another.......and moving money around the economy like a magician with a ball under his cup. Our primary methods of creating "new" wealth have all but escaped us philosophically anymore. Post edited by Mockery at 6/21/2012 1:56:33 PM
Sound Bites > Substance
Con Jobs > Consistency
Promises > Actions
I may steal this for a quote....giving credit of course. For more than anything because I have found myself susceptible to all these.
I have given more weight to sound bite than substance.
I have supported a waffler. (Kerry)
I have believed the promises BEFORE I looked at past actions.
It, to me, would be a nice reminder to not "fall for that shit" again.
Have at it good sir.......I stole the idea of it from a book I just finished reading.
He had a great section on why we were in such disarray and I that was pretty much my words, but his general synopsis.
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~ I'm prochoice and for Civil unions since the gov't has no business telling religion anything. But I agree these are trivial matters compared to all the problems we have. There are certain things I like about RP. In fact Mitt and RP are friends. But their are many paranoid and stupid views he has that would basically get NOTHING done in Washington because he would alienate everyone. Getting Mitt into the office at least moves the country in a direction where many of RP's views could be implemented overtime. With Obama, nothing RP believes in will ever happen
If only I could believe that we could grow our way into smaller, less invasive, and less overreaching government.
That's where me and so many other Conservatives differ the greatest. Getting something done, when that something is absolutely terrible, isn't going to fix anything. It will only make our problems bigger and more expensive.
You are not the only Republican I have seen who falters on such fallacy. That video with Peter Schiff and the FHA showed a couple people exactly like you.......ones who wanted to know how to grow the FHA into a better organization.
As I often say in here, growing the government into fixing itself, along with our immediate problems that they create, is all but analogous to trying to fuck your way out of a venereal disease.
The FHA doesnt need to be bigger. But smaller, so I am nothing like the people you mentioned. Carry on _______________________________________________________________
"If guns kill people then spoons make us fat!"
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~ I'm prochoice and for Civil unions since the gov't has no business telling religion anything. But I agree these are trivial matters compared to all the problems we have. There are certain things I like about RP. In fact Mitt and RP are friends. But their are many paranoid and stupid views he has that would basically get NOTHING done in Washington because he would alienate everyone. Getting Mitt into the office at least moves the country in a direction where many of RP's views could be implemented overtime. With Obama, nothing RP believes in will ever happen
If only I could believe that we could grow our way into smaller, less invasive, and less overreaching government.
That's where me and so many other Conservatives differ the greatest. Getting something done, when that something is absolutely terrible, isn't going to fix anything. It will only make our problems bigger and more expensive.
You are not the only Republican I have seen who falters on such fallacy. That video with Peter Schiff and the FHA showed a couple people exactly like you.......ones who wanted to know how to grow the FHA into a better organization.
As I often say in here, growing the government into fixing itself, along with our immediate problems that they create, is all but analogous to trying to fuck your way out of a venereal disease.
The FHA doesnt need to be bigger. But smaller, so I am nothing like the people you mentioned. Carry on
It was an example Snakey Poo........
You might not be in favor of a bigger FHA.....but I bet you can see a need for a bigger military industrial complex.
Especially one that specializes in selling bigger and better weapons to Israel, detains "terrorists", and promises to shit kick "infidelian" asses all over the globe.
Most people have their vices of where they want bigger and more invasive government to finger fuck and control the world/country. It's just finding a true statists soft spot.
The only place I want to see more government action.......is in creating less government action.........
In my ideal world I would make them audit and probe each other until their assholes bled, most of them quit, entire agencies collapsed, and they had no choice but to get back to just their core priorities and nothing else.
With a little luck, we will be so unbelievably broke in a few years I will get my wish regardless of who gets elected.
Sadly, however, I still won't get what I want because they will just hold those core responsibilities ransom, for far more money, as they continue to use every possible cent upholding establishment shit that I clearly do not agree with. Post edited by Mockery at 6/21/2012 2:11:09 PM
Originally posted by: Mockery All we have left is stealing money from one guy and giving it to another.......and moving money around the economy like a magician with a ball under his cup. Our primary methods of creating "new" wealth have all but escaped us philosophically anymore.
Although I'm sure it started well before, right around the late 80's, I started saying that America doesn't really "produce" anything anymore. It's a nation of services.
I'm pretty sure at the time I was just pissed off because my bank charged me $10 (up from $8) in overdraft fees.
It just seemed to me that businesses would do just about anything to get extra. The fee, that fee, another penalty.
I don't know, maybe there are just more services to charge for then there used to be. ______________________________________________________________________
"Oh, dark grin, he can't help, when he's happy looks insane, oh yeah"
Originally posted by: Mockery All we have left is stealing money from one guy and giving it to another.......and moving money around the economy like a magician with a ball under his cup. Our primary methods of creating "new" wealth have all but escaped us philosophically anymore.
Although I'm sure it started well before, right around the late 80's, I started saying that America doesn't really "produce" anything anymore. It's a nation of services.
I'm pretty sure at the time I was just pissed off because my bank charged me $10 (up from $8) in overdraft fees.
It just seemed to me that businesses would do just about anything to get extra. The fee, that fee, another penalty.
I don't know, maybe there are just more services to charge for then there used to be.
Not sure if there are more services to support.......or more service members to support.
District Administration sucks, depending on locality, 80 cents on every dollar given to schools.......and never actually interacts with a single child.
Are kids any better educated today than they were fifty years ago? I think a reasonable argument could be made saying the opposite.
The lottery system was created as a secondary source of funding to schools........now virtually none of that money makes it to schools anymore (in California it is only a few percent of the proceeds).
Money in this country, especially public, is all tossed in a pot, stirred around, and used as a slush fund. The general fund is always bankrupt because we have wayyyyyyy too much middle management and extraneous peripheral support entities bleeding it dry.
It's an industry that was doomed to die from day one. The idea of any industry is to produce beyond their operating costs........and for the majority of American's, no fault of their own, that isn't possible with that they are being told to do for a living.
Where does that extra money come from? The slush fund.......the slush fund called "general funds".....that are supposed to do things like pave our roads and repair our infrastructure, but never seems to make its way there.
The government is so infatuated with these negative wealth producing, but "value added", jobs that they have mandated tons of these requirements onto private companies as well.
Requirements that they are more than happy to pass along the fees of to their consumers. Things ranging from forcing banks to hold your financial records for X year......internet servers being forced to hold your internet history for X years.......to environmental compliance.....security compliance......energy compliance......etc....etc.
Plus, lets face it, many of these industries, using regulation they did agree with, are using it to keep their competition away..........so they can fuck us some more entirely on their own accord.
Thanks for the very interesting read, Sam. I have never heard of the NWO being called this before now.
No wonder these people hate the Nigel Farage's and Ron Paul's of the world.
What a thorn in their side concepts like independence and sovereignty must be to them. I guess they figure that the best way to implement absolute poverty and slavery over others is to ensure that we have no other economic competition or options to turn to. Post edited by Mockery at 6/21/2012 7:55:24 PM
Thanks for the very interesting read, Sam. I have never heard of the NWO being called this before now.
No wonder these people hate the Nigel Farage's and Ron Paul's of the world.
What a thorn in their side concepts like independence and sovereignty must be to them. I guess they figure that the best way to implement absolute poverty and slavery over others is to ensure that we have no other economic competition or options to turn to.
trippy isn't it? and, it all begins to make a lot of sense when you take a look at their map.
i cant help but laugh when the CFR controlled propaganda machine (our media) talks about the "Arab Spring/Arab Uprising" to the idiots of the world when all one needs to do is look at the map and you can clearly see this is all part of the design. the CIA has been very busy lately, setting up A.Q. shops in all those nations, using front groups like, "the younger generation" through social media outlets to start the revolution and the poor leaders of those nations are watching their nation fall at the hands of the American/European financial, military machine.
the worst part is when those leaders talk about "foreign intervention" - Neo-Conservatism - and the CFR propaganda machine makes fun of them saying it like its not happening.
the problem with their grand design is; Russia, China and Iran.
thought i would never say this but the Bear is this worlds last great hope for any kind of meaningful way of life on this miserable planet.
Is Pelosi losing or gaining support in commiestan? Hard to tell. She is crazy _______________________________________________________________
"If guns kill people then spoons make us fat!"
Is Pelosi losing or gaining support in commiestan? Hard to tell. She is crazy
i dont know seeing as how i no longer pay attention to the CFR paid lapdogs. all she and the rest of the Dem's/Rep's do is work for them - promote and implement their vision of the world, for quarterly profits, control over the masses by getting people "like you" to believe in their invented B.S.
Is Pelosi losing or gaining support in commiestan? Hard to tell. She is crazy
i dont know seeing as how i no longer pay attention to the CFR paid lapdogs. all she and the rest of the Dem's/Rep's do is work for them - promote and implement their vision of the world, for quarterly profits, control over the masses by getting people "like you" to believe in their invented B.S.
Sam your hostility towards me is not needed. I asked a simple question. Thanks pal _______________________________________________________________
"If guns kill people then spoons make us fat!"
Is Pelosi losing or gaining support in commiestan? Hard to tell. She is crazy
i dont know seeing as how i no longer pay attention to the CFR paid lapdogs. all she and the rest of the Dem's/Rep's do is work for them - promote and implement their vision of the world, for quarterly profits, control over the masses by getting people "like you" to believe in their invented B.S.
Sam your hostility towards me is not needed. I asked a simple question. Thanks pal
her and her opinion is worth nothing in the grand scheme of things. she is a tax payer paid spokes person for the CFR, who comes out to their propaganda machine to say stupid shit, to get their media to talk about useless shit so American Idol people pay attention to that rather than whats really going on - the president becoming the King of America.
Is Pelosi losing or gaining support in commiestan? Hard to tell. She is crazy
i dont know seeing as how i no longer pay attention to the CFR paid lapdogs. all she and the rest of the Dem's/Rep's do is work for them - promote and implement their vision of the world, for quarterly profits, control over the masses by getting people "like you" to believe in their invented B.S.
Sam your hostility towards me is not needed. I asked a simple question. Thanks pal
her and her opinion is worth nothing in the grand scheme of things. she is a tax payer paid spokes person for the CFR, who comes out to their propaganda machine to say stupid shit, to get their media to talk about useless shit so American Idol people pay attention to that rather than whats really going on - the president becoming the King of America.
Exactly.......
Her job is to fly around the world in private chartered jets, first class, racking up millions of dollars in not just direct flight travel costs, but in-flight expenses alone, while complaining about the plight of the average poor person.
Her job is to eat extravagant dinners, at extraordinary locations, while she cries about how hungry the average poor person is.
Her job is to travel the world, visiting every refuge and retreat for exclusively rich people, while complaining about how the average poor person can't afford to do anything.
She is nothing more than a phony, exploitative, opportunist pretender of the highest possible magnitude.
The fact that she can bitch about fat cats, while living the life of a fat cat (off of other poor peoples tax money).....is bad enough.
But how she goes on and on about the need for redistribution of wealth, while she accumulates millions, and how she can talk about cronyist bankers and wall street, as a red handed insider trader herself........just tops the cake.
She, and millions others just like her, couldn't possibly die off soon enough for my personal satisfaction.
