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samUwell
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07-12-2012 09:30 PM / profile

Originally posted by: William T. Sherman

Maybe, but I'm tired of libertarians that have barely ever even set foot in a place with more than 10k people trying to tell us that we're running our city poorly when it's one of the wealthiest, culturally rich, and influential places on this planet. The fact remains, you cannot build up a city as big and great as NYC while adhering to libertarian or right wing principles about "freedom."





Agenda 21 Micro-Apartment Scheme Being Beta-Tested in NYC


The globalist design for micro-apartments is being championed by New York’s Mayor Michael Bloomberg. These “studio and one-bedroom apartments” will be no bigger than 275 to 300 sq ft. These tiny living spaces are smaller than currently allowed by building regulations, according to a statement by Bloomberg’s office; however the zoning regulations will be waived in over to construct the first of many compact pack ‘em and stack ‘em housing model in the city-owned area of Kips Bay.

The intention is to construct an area in NY that accommodates restricted housing space, eliminates car use in favor for walking and bicycling and promotes mass transit. Herding the expanding population into dense areas will smaller living spaces will instill the new class of poor and obligate their psychological transition toward accepting the Agenda 21 megacity concept.
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Communitarianism

Central to the communitarian philosophy is the concept of positive rights, which are rights or guarantees to certain things. These may include state subsidized education, state subsidized housing, a safe and clean environment, universal health care, and even the right to a job with the concomitant obligation of the government or individuals to provide one. To this end, communitarians generally support social security programs, public works programs, and laws limiting such things as pollution.

A common objection is that by providing such rights, communitarians violate the negative rights of the citizens; rights to not have something done for you. For example, taxation to pay for such programs as described above dispossesses individuals of property. Proponents of positive rights, by attributing the protection of negative rights to the society rather than the government, respond that individuals would not have any rights in the absence of societies—a central tenet of communitarianism—and thus have a personal responsibility to give something back to it. Some have viewed this as a negation of natural rights. However, what is or is not a "natural right" is a source of contention in modern politics, as well as historically; for example, whether or not universal health care, private property or protection from polluters can be considered a birthright.

Alternatively, some agree that negative rights may be violated by a government action, but argue that it is justifiable if the positive rights protected outweigh the negative rights lost. In the same vein, supporters of positive rights further argue that negative rights are irrelevant in their absence. Moreover, some communitarians "experience this less as a case of being used for others' ends and more as a way of contributing to the purposes of a community I regard as my own".[3]


Division of Sustainable Development

DEMOCRATS AGAINST U. N. AGENDA 21
Post edited by samUwell at 7/12/2012 9:31:46 PM
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07-12-2012 10:03 PM / profile

One way Agenda 21 is manifesting right now is in Transition Towns . Under the Transition Model , global relocalization agendas are forefront.

The dangers that Transition Towns impose on our sovereignty and individuality are:

-Refocus town planning and infrastructure on implementation of Agenda 21

-Appear to be grassroots operations

-Promote the Peak Oil mythology as an energy scare-tactic

-Support SmarthGrowth which is code for Agenda 21

-Aspire to control framing, disburse ability to farm, and pressure governmental policies on farming that reflect Agenda 21

-Use the hoax of man-made climate change as the purpose for imposing policy control by building cities that are designed to reduce carbon emissions

-Securitize local food stores, businesses, healthcare and fuel

-Ensure SmarthGrowth controls all citizens ability to acquire any needs for human survival

-Create internal advocacies that band together to purvey Transition Town propaganda to elected officials and local governments
http://occupycorporatism.com/agenda-21-how-globalist-domination-happens-on-a-local-level/

Where have I heard these before.. not exactly sure...

Also: Maybe the 'heterodox economic view' is simply code for "communitarian philosophy"? The chief subscriber around here hasnt explained it.
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Kimchee!
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07-12-2012 10:31 PM / profile

As much as I find this topic interesting and engaging... I can't help but to notice that the author of the article frequently writes for Alex Jones's PrisonPlanet and Infowars.

And as much as I enjoy pointing out questionmark's obnoxiousness and douchebaggery, I refuse to use Alex Jones as a valid and reputable source of information.


If anything. Black-ops is neither original or exceptional... he's just following the latest hipster trend which, I guess, is a large enough opinion for another asshole like Alex Jones to formulate a conspiracy from.

Much like when black-ops thought he was the coolest shit since Disco when he latched onto the "club kid" scene in the city and was licking eyeballs and shit.


Alex Jones?
just another douchebag.
William T. Sherman
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07-12-2012 11:00 PM / profile

Hey Sam, these apartments aren't for poor people and nobody is being forced to live in them. The reason they're being constructed in the first place is because there is a housing shortage from too many people moving into NYC of their own free will. You might want to lay off the conspiracy sites for a while, they're obviously fucking with your head.
William T. Sherman
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07-12-2012 11:01 PM / profile

Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
One way Agenda 21 is manifesting right now is in Transition Towns . Under the Transition Model , global relocalization agendas are forefront.

The dangers that Transition Towns impose on our sovereignty and individuality are:

-Refocus town planning and infrastructure on implementation of Agenda 21

-Appear to be grassroots operations

-Promote the Peak Oil mythology as an energy scare-tactic

-Support SmarthGrowth which is code for Agenda 21

-Aspire to control framing, disburse ability to farm, and pressure governmental policies on farming that reflect Agenda 21

-Use the hoax of man-made climate change as the purpose for imposing policy control by building cities that are designed to reduce carbon emissions

-Securitize local food stores, businesses, healthcare and fuel

-Ensure SmarthGrowth controls all citizens ability to acquire any needs for human survival

-Create internal advocacies that band together to purvey Transition Town propaganda to elected officials and local governments
http://occupycorporatism.com/agenda-21-how-globalist-domination-happens-on-a-local-level/

Where have I heard these before.. not exactly sure...

Also: Maybe the 'heterodox economic view' is simply code for "communitarian philosophy"? The chief subscriber around here hasnt explained it.


Yea man, I'm totally in on the conspiracy. And you know what? We're winning. DEATH TO AMERICA!!!
Pixel
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07-12-2012 11:25 PM / profile

im pretty sure michael bloomberg is actually karl marx. this just fucking proves it.
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Kimchee!
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07-12-2012 11:30 PM / profile

I just showed my brother-in-law this thread...


He's wondering... if he breaks up his co-op on Madison Ave into six 300sq ft micro-apartments and sublets them out... Could he finally buy that brownstone in Chelsea they've been looking at?
Mockery
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07-13-2012 02:03 AM / profile

So, wait, what we are really saying is that N.Y. is essentially nothing more than an even more Fascist rendition of Europe?

Pixel
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07-13-2012 02:09 AM / profile

Originally posted by: Mockery
So, wait, what we are really saying is that N.Y. is essentially nothing more than an even more Fascist rendition of Europe?



no. what we're saying is that michael bloomberg makes lenin look like a fucking capitalist.


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07-13-2012 02:15 AM / profile

Originally posted by: Pixel
Originally posted by: Mockery
So, wait, what we are really saying is that N.Y. is essentially nothing more than an even more Fascist rendition of Europe?



no. what we're saying is that michael bloomberg makes lenin look like a fucking capitalist.



Bloomberg is in favor of providing tax breaks to big corporations for the good of the whole community. As mayor, Bloomberg lobbied the CEO of Goldman Sachs to establish its headquarters across from Ground Zero by promising $1.65 billion in tax breaks. Regarding this deal, Bloomberg stated, "This [New York City] is where the best want to live and work. So I told him [CEO of Goldman Sachs], 'We can help with minimizing taxes. Minimizing your rent. Improving security. But in the end, this is about people.'"[104]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg#Wealth

He is such a neat guy.......Before he leaves he should start the "No Banker Left Behind" program.
~~Snake~~
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07-13-2012 07:55 AM / profile

Originally posted by: William T. Sherman
Hey Sam, these apartments aren't for poor people and nobody is being forced to live in them. The reason they're being constructed in the first place is because there is a housing shortage from too many people moving into NYC of their own free will. You might want to lay off the conspiracy sites for a while, they're obviously fucking with your head.


Agreed. I just read about these a while back and why they are doing it. The rent for one is still expensive.

Its also probably to eliminate the Mexicans from packing in 14 people into one apartment now as well
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Kimchee!
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07-13-2012 08:59 AM / profile

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~

Its also probably to eliminate the Mexicans from packing in 14 people into one apartment now as well


No... they still pack Mexicans into basement apartments in Brooklyn, Queens, and the Bronx...

In fact, they're still dying in fires and shit in them.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/06/14/landlords-indicted-in-brooklyn-fire-that-killed-5-people-in-2010/
The father-and-son owners of a Brooklyn building where five people died in a 2010 fire have been indicted on charges including manslaughter and reckless endangerment.

The indictment charges that the tenants could not escape the fire on Jan. 30, 2010 because the owners had set up illegal partitions that blocked their way out of the building in Bensonhurst.

Sixty-eight-year-old landlord Vasilios Gerazounis and his 37-year-old son, Argyrios Gerazounis, are being arraigned Thursday in Brooklyn state Supreme Court.


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/09/23/nyc-probe-finds-dozens-of-illegal-apartments/
One Brooklyn landlord showed the cramped attic quarters – with loose electrical cords, a single small window, and a stove shoved between flammable belongings – to someone he believed to be a potential tenant, but who was actually a Buildings Department inspector.



But when you talk about the city... it's just very hard to find affordable housing in good areas...
There's a lottery.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/hpd/html/apartment/lotteries.shtml

but who the fuck wants to move to Manhattan and live in Harlem? Although the Murray Hill one would be nice...
Killet
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07-13-2012 09:25 AM / profile

I dont know how you people live all jammed together like that, I need the wide open area with trees and grass. I own acreage and cannot see my closest neighbors house and they cant see mine. I wouldnt live in NYC for love nor money but you guys have at it, it keeps you out of my trees and grass
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Kimchee!
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07-13-2012 11:02 AM / profile

~~Snake~~
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07-13-2012 11:23 AM / profile

Originally posted by: Killet
I dont know how you people live all jammed together like that, I need the wide open area with trees and grass. I own acreage and cannot see my closest neighbors house and they cant see mine. I wouldnt live in NYC for love nor money but you guys have at it, it keeps you out of my trees and grass
Ditto. Plus I own a lot of guns. Where the fuck would I keep them?


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Killet
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07-13-2012 11:30 AM / profile

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: Killet
I dont know how you people live all jammed together like that, I need the wide open area with trees and grass. I own acreage and cannot see my closest neighbors house and they cant see mine. I wouldnt live in NYC for love nor money but you guys have at it, it keeps you out of my trees and grass
Ditto. Plus I own a lot of guns. Where the fuck would I keep them?



exactly, I'm setting up a steel target handgun range at my place, if someone hears me shooting and calls the cops . . .they will probably want to shoot a bit while they are there.
Post edited by Killet at 7/13/2012 11:31:58 AM
William T. Sherman
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07-13-2012 11:31 AM / profile

Originally posted by: Killet
I dont know how you people live all jammed together like that, I need the wide open area with trees and grass. I own acreage and cannot see my closest neighbors house and they cant see mine. I wouldnt live in NYC for love nor money but you guys have at it, it keeps you out of my trees and grass


It's not actually that bad for most of the city. These kinds of units are aimed at people that refuse to live outside Manhattan. There are some pretty spacious places to live in the other boroughs. I have two friends that went from sharing a 300 square foot studio on the Upper East Side to living in a 3000 square foot loft in Brooklyn while only paying a little more.

The other thing is that city life is generally much richer and an apartment doesn't require the same kind of upkeep as a house. No need for a car either. I'm 24 and still don't know how to drive.
Post edited by William T. Sherman at 7/13/2012 11:32:05 AM
Killet
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07-13-2012 11:34 AM / profile

Originally posted by: William T. Sherman
Originally posted by: Killet
I dont know how you people live all jammed together like that, I need the wide open area with trees and grass. I own acreage and cannot see my closest neighbors house and they cant see mine. I wouldnt live in NYC for love nor money but you guys have at it, it keeps you out of my trees and grass


It's not actually that bad for most of the city. These kinds of units are aimed at people that refuse to live outside Manhattan. There are some pretty spacious places to live in the other boroughs. I have two friends that went from sharing a 300 square foot studio on the Upper East Side to living in a 3000 square foot loft in Brooklyn while only paying a little more.

The other thing is that city life is generally much richer and an apartment doesn't require the same kind of upkeep as a house. No need for a car either. I'm 24 and still don't know how to drive.


to each his own, you can have it as far as I'm concerned, enjoy
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07-13-2012 11:39 AM / profile

Originally posted by: Killet
Originally posted by: William T. Sherman
Originally posted by: Killet
I dont know how you people live all jammed together like that, I need the wide open area with trees and grass. I own acreage and cannot see my closest neighbors house and they cant see mine. I wouldnt live in NYC for love nor money but you guys have at it, it keeps you out of my trees and grass


It's not actually that bad for most of the city. These kinds of units are aimed at people that refuse to live outside Manhattan. There are some pretty spacious places to live in the other boroughs. I have two friends that went from sharing a 300 square foot studio on the Upper East Side to living in a 3000 square foot loft in Brooklyn while only paying a little more.

The other thing is that city life is generally much richer and an apartment doesn't require the same kind of upkeep as a house. No need for a car either. I'm 24 and still don't know how to drive.


to each his own, you can have it as far as I'm concerned, enjoy


Same here. Different strokes for different folks, as they say.

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Kimchee!
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07-13-2012 11:40 AM / profile

Originally posted by: William T. Sherman
No need for a car either. I'm 24 and still don't know how to drive.


God... you know what's insane?

One of my cousins... she grew up in Queens, went to Stuy, then to NYU on a full scholarship. Lived in Lower Manhattan, found a man, got married... his job moved him to Jersey (pharma). They've lived in North Brunswick for 20 years... She STILL doesn't know how to drive.

What
The
Fuck

Where they live, it's the deep 'burbs.
I still don't understand how or why she can live in Jersey without driving. Her husband is a good man... because I'd be like: Drive yourself to the fucking store!

edit:
My brother-in-law, they live on Madison Ave near Bryant Park.
They have a car they leave at his wife's parent's house in Queens... when they leave the city to go skiing or whatever the hell they do when they need a car,

They rent a Zipcar.
http://www.zipcar.com/

No clue why they keep their car in Queens... unless her parents are using it.
Post edited by Bibimbap at 7/13/2012 11:45:46 AM
~~Snake~~
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07-13-2012 12:02 PM / profile

Originally posted by: Killet
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: Killet
I dont know how you people live all jammed together like that, I need the wide open area with trees and grass. I own acreage and cannot see my closest neighbors house and they cant see mine. I wouldnt live in NYC for love nor money but you guys have at it, it keeps you out of my trees and grass
Ditto. Plus I own a lot of guns. Where the fuck would I keep them?



exactly, I'm setting up a steel target handgun range at my place, if someone hears me shooting and calls the cops . . .they will probably want to shoot a bit while they are there.
Just bought a LMT 308 SR. Goes thru steel plates
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