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Originally posted by: Killet I dont know how you people live all jammed together like that, I need the wide open area with trees and grass. I own acreage and cannot see my closest neighbors house and they cant see mine. I wouldnt live in NYC for love nor money but you guys have at it, it keeps you out of my trees and grass
It's not actually that bad for most of the city. These kinds of units are aimed at people that refuse to live outside Manhattan. There are some pretty spacious places to live in the other boroughs. I have two friends that went from sharing a 300 square foot studio on the Upper East Side to living in a 3000 square foot loft in Brooklyn while only paying a little more.
The other thing is that city life is generally much richer and an apartment doesn't require the same kind of upkeep as a house. No need for a car either. I'm 24 and still don't know how to drive.
to each his own, you can have it as far as I'm concerned, enjoy
Same here. Different strokes for different folks, as they say.
I'm not trying to shit talk country living or anything, I just want to give a different perspective. Life in a city is a lot faster paced and full of man made beauty, and a lot of people are willing to trade off living space for things like walk-ability, amenities, variety, and quality. Being able to walk down the block to get real bread (baked fresh & no preservatives), beer, or whatever else I need is pretty cool. So is having friends, nightlife, and great ethnic food within walking/biking/subway distance. Then there's stuff like the music and art scene, which doesn't even exist anywhere else and is full of some pretty interesting people. There's somewhere to go and something to see every day, usually for cheap or even free, and the fact that I can find literally almost anything I could want within the city.
As much as I love nature, it gets boring real fast, and boring places make for boring people. This is partially why so many kids from the suburbs grow up to be fucked up adults.
I grew up in a small town of about 14000 people and currently live in a suburb of Birmingham with about 80000 people. I hope to one day be able to retire to the middle of nowhere. I enjoy the open air and seclusion. I wouldn't want to live anywhere much bigger than Birmingham or Nashville. It just ain't for me.
Also, if the City of Birmingham and Jefferson County weren't so horribly mismanaged, this whole metro-area would be a fantastic place to live from top to bottom. Unfortunately, we have to rely on the outer suburbs and counties, specifically Hoover and Shelby County, and they do a damn fine job of providing for good living conditions and high quality of life.
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Originally posted by: William T. Sherman This is partially why so many kids from the suburbs grow up to be fucked up adults.
This statement coming from a guy who hung out in the "club kid" scene and spent most of his teen years in a drug-induced fog.
I would bring up the eyeball-licking... but it's gotten old and tired.
No doubt there are benefits to living around the city. I have family who live in the city who are so old, they'd be dead if they were living in Jersey... not because they couldn't get around, but because they'd be driving cars and hitting shit (asians).
But even my great aunts and uncles. They don't cook anymore. They leave their brownstone or row house in Queens, hobble down 2 blocks, and find food.
Thank God Queens and Brooklyn have decent food now... because they hate going into the city to have to deal with Chinatown.
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This new 6-month road construction they're starting on the Cross Bronx is going to be another pain in the ass... to get past the city into Long Island, there's no easy way anymore... and I get along with my wife's family... In-laws, not OUT-laws Post edited by Bibimbap at 7/13/2012 12:25:36 PM
As much as I love nature, it gets boring real fast, and boring places make for boring people. This is partially why so many kids from the suburbs grow up to be fucked up adults.
You are so awesome at talking out your ass, it's amazing.
Originally posted by: William T. Sherman This is partially why so many kids from the suburbs grow up to be fucked up adults.
This statement coming from a guy who hung out in the "club kid" scene and spent most of his teen years in a drug-induced fog.
I would bring up the eyeball-licking... but it's gotten old and tired.
I went through an experimental phase that didn't last more than a couple years, meanwhile the majority of people I've met from the suburbs still do drugs and are way more into them than I ever was. Why? Because there's not much else to do in suburbs besides get fucked up and fuck shit up. On top of that, they generally fall into one of two camps; sheltered kids that turn wild as soon as they get any freedom, and overly self confident & racist douchebags/sluts.
No doubt there are benefits to living around the city. I have family who live in the city who are so old, they'd be dead if they were living in Jersey... not because they couldn't get around, but because they'd be driving cars and hitting shit (asians).
But even my great aunts and uncles. They don't cook anymore. They leave their brownstone or row house in Queens, walk 2 blocks, and find food.
Thank God Queens and Brooklyn have decent food now... because they hate going into the city to have to deal with Chinatown.
Queens has always had great food. It's been a major immigrant hub for a long time and more languages are spoken there than anywhere else in the world. In fact, it's the only place to find certain ethnic foods. Post edited by William T. Sherman at 7/13/2012 12:35:34 PM
As much as I love nature, it gets boring real fast, and boring places make for boring people. This is partially why so many kids from the suburbs grow up to be fucked up adults.
You are so awesome at talking out your ass, it's amazing.
You have to realize one thing.
Questionmark has grown up in Brooklyn at it's BEST time ever because of Giuliani.
Back when black-ops was still shitting his pants in diapers, David Dinkins almost ran New York into the ground. New York was the literal caricature of every Hollywood movie made in the 80s.
So when me and my friends were leaving Jersey to go into the city to drive around and watch the hookers in Times Square score a deal with a John for a $20 blow job... blacks, Koreans, Italians, and Jews were duking it out in Brooklyn.
My family wouldn't go to Brooklyn because of the boycott in Flatbush, the riots in Crown Heights, and the fact that people were getting dragged out of their cars to get beat.
The only safe place in Brooklyn was Bensonhurst... if you were Italian... because if you were anything else, they'd beat the shit outta you like they did Youseff Hawkins.
ALL before QM's time.
Dinkins got outsted because he sucked... Guiliani became mayor... and New York became "Disney-Northeast".
Queens has always had great food. It's been a major immigrant hub for a long time and more languages are spoken there than anywhere else in the world. In fact, it's the only place to find certain ethnic foods.
When we moved out of Queens in 1978... no...
We still went to Chinatown for food.
Shit changed in the 80s... probably because nobody wanted to take the subway through Brooklyn.
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Hell... where we used to live in Queens, it went from Little India to Little Korea to Little Chinatown in the 40 years I've hung around the area. Still have family there. Had a co-op there we bought for grandma so she could visit and not have to stay in my aunts' houses. Post edited by Bibimbap at 7/13/2012 12:45:57 PM
Things were getting bad long before Dinkins and had more to do with the stagflation of the 70's and Reagan's anti City policies in the 80's than anything else.
These days people are flocking to cities all over the US and it's post war sprawling suburbs that are in decline while urban places are experiencing a major revival.
Queens has always had great food. It's been a major immigrant hub for a long time and more languages are spoken there than anywhere else in the world. In fact, it's the only place to find certain ethnic foods.
When we moved out of Queens in 1978... no...
We still went to Chinatown for food.
Shit changed in the 80s... probably because nobody wanted to take the subway through Brooklyn.
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Hell... where we used to live in Queens, it went from Little India to Little Korea to Little Chinatown in the 40 years I've hung around the area. Still have family there. Had a co-op there we bought for grandma so she could visit and not have to stay in my aunts' houses.
Chinese aren't the only immigrants in Queens. Neighborhoods regularly change from one ethnicity to another, but anywhere where there's lots of immigrants you'll find lots of great food.
Chinese aren't the only immigrants in Queens. Neighborhoods regularly change from one ethnicity to another, but anywhere where there's lots of immigrants you'll find lots of great food.
Yes... this is why when you talk to my mom... she sounds like a yenta from Long Island... because her neighborhood was very Jewish in the 50s... Now? Chinese.
She was raised in Queens.
My old man lived on the Lower East Side... they had to lie about where he lived so he could go to school in Chinatown.
There was a time when I knew a shit-ton of old people who ran the businesses in Chinatown... shopping with my grandma.
I remember a Dannon Yogurt commercial in the early 80s... Dannon had clips of New Yorkers eating yogurt... No lie, when the clips started hitting Chinatown... we were like OMG! Looks! It's sook-sook!!!!
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For a while, when we needed to find ethic chinese food.. we were going to Chinatown. Back in '78 to the mid-80s, we'd be in Chinatown shopping. There's still stuff in Chinatown you can not find anywhere else for shit like fresh, hot, tofu. I mean, sure, you can find it in Queens, but not as good as the stuff from Chinatown.
Mid-80s through 2000, we said, "Fuck Chinatown" and started shopping in Queens. The produce shops there started selling ethnic vegetables... it was closer to family... and some old diners converted to Chinese restaurants with good food.
Still had out wedding in Chinatown... no good Chinese restaurant anywhere else that could accommodate 500 guests at the time.
Slowly, asian food markets went up in Jersey... then one outfit from Chinatown opened a few stores in Jersey.
No need to go food shopping in Queens anymore... If we're visiting, sure, it's cheaper... but now we don't have to go out of the way.
Still... best tofu, fresh rice flour...mmmm.... that's it... Fresh tofu and fresh rice flour.
That's Chinatown. Post edited by Bibimbap at 7/13/2012 1:03:42 PM
Originally posted by: Bibimbap They came to a head during Dinkins.
Crown Heights riots... YOU were in diapers... Brooklyn was in shambles... Dinkins was in Puerto Rico.
I'm more familiar with the history of NYC than you are. Race riots aside, by the time Dinkins was mayor the city was already turning around. The worst times were the 70's and it was generally due to the shitty US economy as a whole. In the 80's was when Reagan and Republicans got in bed with wall st and that's when things slowly started to get better in Manhattan (due to the stock market turnaround) while still being shitty in the outer boroughs (due to things like crack and Reagan stripping social nets for the poor). Aside from the race riots the early 90's were really just a continuation of the 80's, and then things started to get much better much faster in the mid 90's due to the tech boom, and that's when the first waves of gentrification began in the outer boroughs.
yeah... late 70s, we left Queens... The city did get worse in the 80s.
Sure, in the late 60s, you had Kitty Genovese... but the 80s brought out the Central Park jogger, Robert Chambers (the preppy killer).
Shit was real bad.
In the 70s, Studio 51 brought a sense of fake glamour to the City... made it cool.
The 70s were pretty bad... I forgot about the black-out.
Brooklyn was on fire, Broadway was destroyed...
I was 4 or 5... I don't remember us having any problem in Queens... I barely remember the BiCentennial.
Son of Sam happened in the 70s. Post edited by Bibimbap at 7/13/2012 1:37:23 PM
I don't buy that. It's about access to resources and level of opportunity. Back when cities were getting bad it was because of a downturn in the economy that was compounded by white flight (money & tax base leaving urban areas for suburbs). Now it's rural places and suburbs that are in decline while all the talent and money is flowing into cities.
Saying that it's cyclical implies that it's going to happen again, but without cheap oil modern American suburbs are unsustainable, and they'll eventually be abandoned when gas prices get high enough. The only long term options for organizing people are walkable cities/towns/villages. Anything designed around the car is going to eventually fail.
The housing price recovery has begun, says a new report from The Demand Institute, a think tank recently launched by Nielson and The Conference Board to track consumer demand. Among the findings that are promising for more sustainable development patterns, the strongest segment of the market “comprises populous urban or semi-urban communities well served by local amenities.” The authors of the report, The Shifting Nature of US Housing Demand, call this group of properties the “resilient walkables” and forecast a home price rise of three percent by 2013, and up to five percent per year between 2014 and 2017.
The analysis concludes that the weakest segment of the market, by contrast, are in outer and smaller suburbs or outlying areas that “are sparsely populated, and have low walkability.” Though prices for this segment are “relatively cheap,” the authors contend that these “weighed down” properties will not rise in value enough to reach the national average even by 2017.
In other words, if you’re a real estate investor, put your money on smart growth and avoid sprawl. To those in the field, this simply confirms trends that have been documented for years. Alex Dodd summarized the report’s contrast between these two segments on Smart Growth America’s blog earlier this week.
Any true rural areas or pre-war suburbs (walkable towns near rivers and rail lines) that are currently doing poorly are that way due to lack of jobs (mainly from decades of outsourcing), and are likely to bounce back as globalization reverses itself; however, sprawling suburbs are basically DOA. Prices there will just keep dropping as oil prices rise and new recessions hit until they are eventually totally abandoned, at which point the only thing they'll be good for is scrap.
Unemployment rates, in most of America's largest cities, have skyrocketed over the past 50 years.
And it's only gotten even worse since 2007, when the housing boom finished most of them off.
The areas with the lowest unemployment and highest standard of living (not cost of living) are all outside of major metropolises.
And in regards to sustainability......What city grows their own food, can provide their own drinking water?
If the end of peak oil will do anything, it will decimate large cities who can't produce their own power, their own food, their own water and are entirely dependent on rural areas around them to provide for them.
I think you have spent so much time in the city that you are another one of those Brooklynites who thinks meat trees grow in the park and vegetables come from stores.
As if the rent prices alone wasn't enough to keep people out of most big cities......the end of cheap fuel (to import in everything they don't have the land to produce on their own) would just make these matters worse.
People in New York better start investing in soylent green juicers, to eat their shitty neighbors, or start up some grazing/growing land in central park.
You can't eat stock tickers..........you can't drink art.
