A while back you mentioned that democrats were "honest liars", which I found very amusing because you didnt quite realize what a massive oxymoron that is.
So.
After trying to get a straight answer what "economic fairness" is (despite deflections as a 'catch phrase' [unlike like social justice, reproductive justice, environmantal justice, ________ justice, etc.]) that never materialized, perhaps it would be more effective to let you witness these 'honest liars' in action.
Enjoy.
Originally posted by: Axelrod, DIC [Dumbfuck In Charge] of Team Owebama Chris Wallace, "FOX News Sunday" host: Didn't this White House badly misjudge this recovery? I remember in 2010, two summers ago, you and Vice President Biden were running around talking about 'Recovery Summer.' That was the summer of 2010 and the fact is the White House said if you got the stimulus, the $800 billion that unemployment would stay under 8%. In fact, with the stimulus, unemployment has stayed over 8% for the last 42 months. That's three and a half years.
David Axelrod: Chris, first of all, I wasn't running around saying anything other than that we were going to have to be persistent. That it took years to get in this mess, it was going to take years to get out --
Wallace: You talking about 'Recovery Summer' in 2010, sir.
Axelrod: Well you should show me the tape of me saying that. I've been very consistent about the fact that we need to be very persistent in our efforts here.
Originally posted by: Carney the Clown, WH Propaganda Chief "The charge is not that Mitt Romney paid less than a factory worker, or whatever, but it's a bit more vicious than that from Harry Reid. He said he has an anonymous source telling him that [Romney] paid no taxes for something like 10 years. So the president has talked a lot about change in the tone of this town. Why hasn't he picked up the phone to ask Harry Reid to stop making a charge like that?" FOX News White House correspondent Ed Henry asked WH press secretary Jay Carney at today's briefing.
"I think the idea that people tell Harry Reid what to do is inconsistent with what everyone here understands to be [the case]," Carney responded.
Carney then referred to several campaign attacks on Romney such as paying a lower effective tax rate and outsourcing jobs.
"That's not the charge," Henry corrected Carney. "The charge is that he didn't pay taxes for ten years. Does the White House believe that allegation?"
"Yeah, I would refer you to Senator Reid. I can't -- only Senator Reid knows his source, which he has discussed. And I would refer you to that," Carney responded.
So here all of this irrelevant tax return stuff started by the WH and now they distance themselves from it and useful dupe Harry "I made millions from land deals in NV" Reid is left holding the bag. Caveat: Reid doesnt have to worry about re-election that he barely survived 2010.
Nevermind how many volumes you could fill about democrat tax cheats yet are allegedly all about 'the poor and downtrodden'. Pfffffffttt.. those who dont cheat on their taxes dont give shit to charity.
Honesty?
Add on to the above that leads to other lies:
STEPHANOPOULOS: So it's clear you are not going to repudiate that charge from Harry Reid. One final question, President Obama celebrating his birthday. He got a little present from the RNC, was sent to the Democratic National Committee over the weekend. I want to show it. Birthday cake saying, "you didn't bake this. Happy birthday, Mr. President." Do you think the president is going to be able to shake "you didn't build this" line?
SCHULTZ: I think that it would be great if Republicans would make sure that they weren't supporting cuts in investment like education, like infrastructure, like all the things that we know help businesses thrive. President Obama has always been committed to making sure that small businesses have an opportunity to thrive, large businesses. That's why he pushed through 18 different tax breaks for small business owners.
Notice she wont address the question. That's honesty for ya, isnt it?
BTW, giving the EPA broad authority to increase regulations on business isnt exactly any kind of tax break for any business. Those are really known as an expense to business. Anyone democrat that tells you that regulation doesn't cost a business is lying to your face. Obamacare ring a bell?
Last, but not least, the Queen of Integrity and Honesty herself, I give you Nancy:
Nancy Pelosi: 'It Is A Fact' That Somebody Told Harry Reid About Romney Not Paying Taxes
What fact? As many are starting to point out, this wreaks of McCarthyism.
Bain capital attacks have fallen flat and this tax thing isnt going to help the democrats one bit either (as evidenced by the WH stepping back).
Notice that Team Owebama isnt trying to run on his record?
How honest is that?
This is the propaganda just from today. Still think that they are "honest liars"?
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I'll be very clear: Some of the shit the republicans do pisses me off, like Toe Tappin Larry Craig preaching family values while soliciting gay sex in an airport bathroom. Shit like that.
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See through the propaganda. Stop empowering and enriching the state by cheering its wars. Set aside the television talking points. Look at the world anew, without the prejudices of the past, and without favoring your own government’s version of things. Be decent. Be human. Do not be deceived by the Joe Bidens, the John McCains, the Barack Obamas and Hillary Clintons. Reject the biggest government program of them all. Peace builds. War destroys.
-Lew Rockwell
Obama. The worst President in US history. The demotards should be proud. _______________________________________________________________
"If guns kill people then spoons make us fat!"
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~ Obama. The worst President in US history. The demotards should be proud.
This isnt exactly about Owebama, though he is an integral part of who and what the democrats / 'liberals' () / progressives are.
My point here was that the democrats are anything but honest. As a vocal minority, they deceive people into believing that their often myopic and vacuous views somehow represent modern conventional wisdom and thought.
The republicans arent much better because over time, I have watched them become 'democrat light' in order to buy votes to keep their seats. Medicare part D sound familiar?
It's all about retaining power because too many people these days dont pay attention to what these politicians are doing.
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~ Obama. The worst President in US history. The demotards should be proud.
This isnt exactly about Owebama, though he is an integral part of who and what the democrats / 'liberals' () / progressives are.
My point here was that the democrats are anything but honest. As a vocal minority, they deceive people into believing that their often myopic and vacuous views somehow represent modern conventional wisdom and thought.
The republicans arent much better because over time, I have watched them become 'democrat light' in order to buy votes to keep their seats. Medicare part D sound familiar?
It's all about retaining power because too many people these days dont pay attention to what these politicians are doing.
Which is why I brought him up. He lies constantly and the dumbycrats cover for him. _______________________________________________________________
"If guns kill people then spoons make us fat!"
My point here was that the democrats are anything but honest. As a vocal minority, they deceive people into believing that their often myopic and vacuous views somehow represent modern conventional wisdom and thought.
The republicans arent much better because over time, I have watched them become 'democrat light' in order to buy votes to keep their seats. Medicare part D sound familiar?
interesting... i just posted this on teedub yesterday:
Originally posted by: samUwell
Fact is Obama is the lesser of the evils we have to choose from for the office.
voting for the lesser of two evils, is still voting for evil.
icfire old man, times have changed, both parties are for gitmo, both are for obama care, both are for deficits, both are for wars, any differences exist only in your mind in a world where the parties used to be different. I guess when people ally themselves to a side, they cling as hard as they can to perceived differences that no longer exist. On paper and in real life there is no longer any differences between the two parties.
^this is the truth.
really, there isnt much difference between the two candidates/parties anymore. most of the differences are in the form of social issues - BS issues that do nothing to better our country at all other than to give the appearance of going forward.
one on hand, you have to the so called conservatives who say they are capitalist who scream at the left, "SOCIALISTS!!" yet they all agree with "a job is a job is a job" which stems from The Labor Theory of Value - a cornerstone of Marxist Economics.
on the other hand, you have the so called liberals who say they agree with a mixed economy, scream at the right, "FASCISTS!!! yet they all agree with using the govt to protect the American corporation in the face of the little guy - a cornerstone of Corporatism or, simply put, Fascism.
so, who is more evil, the left or the right? with the right, you know what you are going to get - protection of the wealthy. with the left, you hear protection of the little guy but rarely is action taken to protect the little guy because they, along with all their political donors, are all wealthy.
I think you've read way to far into "honest liars". I'll tell you my basis for this little quip again:
Republicans say that they want small government for good but pursue big government for evil.
They are lying hypocrites.
Democrats say that they want big government for good, but pursue big government for evil.
They tell you that they believe in a strong central government, and they do. In this case, they are honest.
They tell you that they will use that strong central government to "take care" of us, but they don't. They oppress and enslave us. In this case they are liars.
They simultaneously tell the truth while lying. It's very Orwellian.
They are honest liars.
Of course, "they" in this case is the party as a whole. Each individual member does not necessarily fall under this description.
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See through the propaganda. Stop empowering and enriching the state by cheering its wars. Set aside the television talking points. Look at the world anew, without the prejudices of the past, and without favoring your own government’s version of things. Be decent. Be human. Do not be deceived by the Joe Bidens, the John McCains, the Barack Obamas and Hillary Clintons. Reject the biggest government program of them all. Peace builds. War destroys.
-Lew Rockwell
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest Democrats say that they want big government for good
We all know they want big government, but in my 20 years of voting I've seen very few who campaign on that kind of statement. Obama is just starting to make some comments about his beliefs and is back tracking for comments like, "you didn't build that shit, somebody else did".
You just hate Republicans because they are cowards when it comes to defending the Constitution. SS mentioned the problem and that would be very few Republicans would be in office if they didn't ignore things you think are important. The sad fact is the majority of Americans are beginning to believe that stuff is free. It ain't and there will be a bill coming due.
You can thank Democrats/Liberals for the biggest lie every told in American politics.
Keep hating those Republicans, because clearly they sold out to liberal ideology.
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest Democrats say that they want big government for good
We all know they want big government, but in my 20 years of voting I've seen very few who campaign on that kind of statement. Obama is just starting to make some comments about his beliefs and is back tracking for comments like, "you didn't build that shit, somebody else did".
You just hate Republicans because they are cowards when it comes to defending the Constitution. SS mentioned the problem and that would be very few Republicans would be in office if they didn't ignore things you think are important. The sad fact is the majority of Americans are beginning to believe that stuff is free. It ain't and there will be a bill coming due.
You can thank Democrats/Liberals for the biggest lie every told in American politics.
Keep hating those Republicans, because clearly they sold out to liberal ideology.
As much as I hate government, politicians........and lawyers (or pretty much three ways of saying the exact same thing).......I have come to terms with why our system is so unbelievably fucked.
They don't so much drive the system, as an engine, as much as they are direct reflections of our broken system and individualistic priorities.
You can't hate a candidate who promises you everything under the moon and pretends that it will all somehow be free.......you have to hate the people who are dumb enough to vote for such an asshole.
You can't hate a politician who refuses to cut spending, grows government programs, grows government, grows their power and promises you it will do everything you ever wanted.........you have to hate the fucktards who can't understand numbers/reality/sound fiscal policy and who continue to re-elect this idiot time and time again.
You can't hate lawyers for suing OBGYN's because child birth hurt.......(true story BTW) you have to hate the jury who not only entertained such an absurd notion, but awarded the victim 3 million dollars for her egregious pain and suffering.
Our government, our politicians, and lawyers are a direct reflection of a population who is clearly uneducated, doesn't give a shit about where money comes from, can barely count, and doesn't give one hell of a damn about becoming informed about any of the issues that they more than likely have very strong and unwavering opinions about.
Until that all changes........through a lot of inevitable pain........nothing else will change.
Most people will NEVER vote for a candidate who promises them less free stuff, less spending. People will only vote for the complete opposite of that.......hence how Republicans have been able to stay in the spotlight pandering toward such outright absurdity.
There is no such thing as fiscal Conservativism anymore.
There is a big government........with big taxes
and big government.......with rich people orientated tax cuts.
Those are your two vetted and industrial complex approved flavors........now we can go back to enjoying the illusion of picking and distinguishing between them. Post edited by Mockery at 8/7/2012 12:04:34 AM
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest I think you've read way to far into "honest liars". I'll tell you my basis for this little quip again:
Republicans say that they want small government for good but pursue big government for evil.
They are lying hypocrites.
Democrats say that they want big government for good, but pursue big government for evil.
They tell you that they believe in a strong central government, and they do. In this case, they are honest.
They tell you that they will use that strong central government to "take care" of us, but they don't. They oppress and enslave us. In this case they are liars.
They simultaneously tell the truth while lying. It's very Orwellian.
They are honest liars.
Of course, "they" in this case is the party as a whole. Each individual member does not necessarily fall under this description.
Look I understand your reasoning, but it still doesnt make sense. Here's why:
As Cocy pointed out, when was the last time you actually saw a democrat run for office under the banner of Big Gvt? You dont. If anything, they run towards the center and/or right as their position on issues and then change it up once they have won office. About the only place this isnt true is places like San Fran. Anyway, that in itself is not honest.
Another deception lies in the fact it is very hard for them to admit who and what they are. Here's a slip of the tongue for ya:
Want more? Just look at the dopey slogan "Hope and Change". Your average voter thought change was away from Bush era policies, they had no idea that Owebama wants to fundamentally transform this nation from our heritage to something along the lines of the democratic socialists of europe.
Obama ran on ObamaCare. ObamaCare is explicitly a big government program. Everyone knew that going in. But, since it's ObamaCare, surely it's good for us, right?
That is a prime example.
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See through the propaganda. Stop empowering and enriching the state by cheering its wars. Set aside the television talking points. Look at the world anew, without the prejudices of the past, and without favoring your own government’s version of things. Be decent. Be human. Do not be deceived by the Joe Bidens, the John McCains, the Barack Obamas and Hillary Clintons. Reject the biggest government program of them all. Peace builds. War destroys.
-Lew Rockwell
I mean she was completely shocked that what she really meant just came out so fluidly. You could tell that her own truest beliefs actually caught her off guard.
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest Obama ran on ObamaCare. ObamaCare is explicitly a big government program. Everyone knew that going in. But, since it's ObamaCare, surely it's good for us, right?
That is a prime example.
No, no he didnt run on "Obamacare". He ran on NON-SPECIFIC Hope and Change that the masses swallowed hook, line, and sinker. Do we really need to break out the DNC coronation (complete with Greek columns)?
And as of right now, he sure as fuck isnt running on his 'record' either. Watch as he tries to move to the middle without mentioning his record the closer the election gets -especially about tax breaks for the middle class versus Romney's alleged tax cuts for the rich.
I mean she was completely shocked that what she really meant just came out so fluidly. You could tell that her own truest beliefs actually caught her off guard.
You've never seen that? Yeah man, very revealing.
There's a book I am going to order maybe in the next month or two, but if you get it before then... I ask that you post a review.
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See through the propaganda. Stop empowering and enriching the state by cheering its wars. Set aside the television talking points. Look at the world anew, without the prejudices of the past, and without favoring your own government’s version of things. Be decent. Be human. Do not be deceived by the Joe Bidens, the John McCains, the Barack Obamas and Hillary Clintons. Reject the biggest government program of them all. Peace builds. War destroys.
-Lew Rockwell
Only one more day left on this video......before it expires and gets booted off of Hulu.........but thought it was very pertinent on our discussion of "who do you trust".
I mean she was completely shocked that what she really meant just came out so fluidly. You could tell that her own truest beliefs actually caught her off guard.
You've never seen that? Yeah man, very revealing.
There's a book I am going to order maybe in the next month or two, but if you get it before then... I ask that you post a review.
Only one more day left on this video......before it expires and gets booted off of Hulu.........but thought it was very pertinent on our discussion of "who do you trust".
Only one more day left on this video......before it expires and gets booted off of Hulu.........but thought it was very pertinent on our discussion of "who do you trust".
Stossel
Seriously.........how I love that guy.
The last acceptable political show on television IMO.
Not exactly, he wanted "healthcare reform" and tried to steer the conversation away from UHC / Single Payer HC because it would reveal more of who he really is.
You recall how the media completely avoided the video of him telling union folks (I think) that he wanted single payer but that it would take some time to get there?
Yeah, he didnt campaign on that but instead, "reform"... another deceit. Again, not being honest with the voters.
What?
Stossel
