n a spirited showdown on “Good Morning America ” today, ABC News Health and Medical Editor Dr. Richard Besser confronted Dr. Mehmet Oz on what he called “extremely irresponsible” statements made on “The Dr. Oz Show” show Wednesday concerning arsenic in apple juice.
Is it fear mongering? I mean, sure, there's arsenic AND cyanide in apple seeds... but are you going to kill your children if you accidentally slice an apple seed in half or feed them apple juice?
I lean towards fear mongering... but that's just me.
At what point do you think Mott's will get a class action lawsuit filed against it now?
Dr. Oz has a lot of power through influence from his show. It is fair to challenge his pronouncements since they can have a tremendous influence on what viewers will believe.
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Arsenic is naturally present in water, air, food and soil in two forms — organic and inorganic. According to the FDA, organic arsenic passes through the body quickly and is essentially harmless. Inorganic arsenic — the type found in pesticides — can be toxic and may pose a cancer risk if consumed at high levels or over a long period.
"The Dr. Oz Show" did not break down the type when it tested several dozen juice samples for total arsenic. As a result, the FDA said the results are misleading.
Furthermore, the agency's own tests found far lower total arsenic levels from one of the same juice batches the Oz show tested — 2 to 6 parts per billion of arsenic versus the 36 that Oz's show had claimed.
Tests of the same batch conducted by two different food testing labs for the juice's maker, Nestle USA, which sells Juicy Juice under the Gerber brand, also found levels consistent with the FDA results.
In a letter published on the Oz show's website, Nestle said it told the program's producer in advance that the method the show's lab used was intended for testing waste water, not fruit juice, and "therefore their results would be unreliable at best."
So, basically, inorganic arsenic is used in pesticides... and can be found in drinking water (which is why the acceptable levels are much lower in water than fruit juices)
Arsenic is found naturally in various fruit seeds (apples, apricots, etc) in an organic version that the body is able to break down and eliminate.
Dr. Oz's show didn't differentiate the arsenic found... saying that ANY arsenic whether organic or inorganic poses a threat... which is... yeah... fear mongering.
I use to work in a produce department and people would come in and ask for "--" because Dr. Oz said it was good for them. Then a group of customers start to talk about how much they learn and blah blah about this guy.
It makes you wonder what you eat but we are all suppose to die one way or another.
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Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor Dr. Oz has a lot of power through influence from his show. It is fair to challenge his pronouncements since they can have a tremendous influence on what viewers will believe.
I agree.
Most people like us (TWL posters) don't really care, but his show's audience is mainly females who do most of the grocery shopping for their family.
The cyanide present in apples is created organically since its simply a molecule of carbon and nitrogen. Arsenic however is an element, there is no organic method of producing it.
Maybe arsenic got into a product somehow - soil, water - contamination in either of those, or by airborne particles. It would not have been created by combining different elements in the organism, it had to have been introduced as some elemental form of arsenic already.
Which would seem to indicate that this is a local environmental issue, in which products from one particular region contain much larger quantities of the element than others from a different region.
You probably won't find much of a difference in cyanide if you take two cloned apple trees and grow them in different soils with the same degree of care, but you would eventually find a difference in arsenic if you tried enough different environments.
Seems like this guy is talking out of his ass for shock value and publicity. Throw around words like arsenic and cyanide when talking about people's food products and you already know what kind of reaction you're going to get.
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well . . .if you have ever eaten an apple you are going to die, anyone that has ever eaten an apple has either died or is going to die . . . so he might be right
i saw the preview for said show and i for some reason... and you know me, i couldnt help but to think that because B-17 has been shown to keep cancer at bay and, in many cases, cure it, why would he have a show dedicated to saying that one of our main sources of B-17 is... TOXIC?
Originally posted by: samUwell i saw the preview for said show and i for some reason... and you know me, i couldnt help but to think that because B-17 has been shown to keep cancer at bay and, in many cases, cure it, why would he have a show dedicated to saying that one of our main sources of B-17 is... TOXIC?
Originally posted by: Bibimbap It's a well known fact that breathing oxygen increases your risk of cancer.
This is why Dr. Oz always recommends anti-oxidants.
dont forget dihydrogen monoxide.
Yeah we gotta ban that dihydrogen monoxide! Can cause renal failure, brain damage, and in some cases death! Post edited by hackshot. at 9/17/2011 11:33:11 AM
I think one small point that Oz brings up needs to be looked at further. A huge portion of apple juice products are produced from Chinese apples, apple concentrate or made in China altogether. If we consider China's previous record of poising our pet's food with melamine and our children's toy with lead, never mind their general lack of of food testing and regulation, is it fear mongering to have a deeper look into this? Especially when it's a product that is fed primarily to children.
Is it possible that Chinese made apple juice/products contain more arsenic because of pesticide use and/or processing techniques? I don't know. But it seems worthy of a discussion, at least.
BTW, that blowhard ABC reporter has only one point to make in the entire discussion; that Dr. Oz used only one lab in his testing. Big deal, it seems like their are worse indictments. Like no lab testing at all.
Post edited by =|KI|=ChestRockwell at 9/17/2011 10:25:28 PM
