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Zombee
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| 04-13-2012 05:42 PM / profile
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God forbid anyone of YOU should ever put your lives at risk in the line of duty. This was a half hour from my house yesterday.
http://www.wmur.com/news/30885030/detail.html
Cliffs for the lazy, small town police chief and four others as part of a drug taskforce go to serve a search warrant. The FIREFIGHTER who was busted selling drugs shot before they even got in the door, killing the chief of police and wounding all four other officers with him, because they interupted a drug deal. Shooter later shoots girl in the house, then himself.
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TheRedneck
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| 04-13-2012 05:48 PM / profile
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I work with two brothers who are also WA State Patrol. Good guys, very fair. I've never been bothered while driving around, never pulled over. Just like anything, the few bad ones get the attention and people are quick to grab onto that (especially an authority figure).
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~~Snake~~
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| 04-13-2012 05:53 PM / profile
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According to a some here. Drug dealers and users are not dangerous.
Hopefully they killed this POS criminals or will execute them
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Mockery
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| 04-13-2012 06:04 PM / profile
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I'm going to get shit for this, but why not?
But since when did unnecessarily and frivolously risking your life become such a heroic and noteworthy thing?
Between skydivers, bungee jumpers, crocodile wranglers, to fucking last call whores without a condom.......where the fuck are all their medals and twenty one gun solutes?
Ah, but I get it, they aren't just risking their lives for fun, but they are risking their lives for others........
Sort of like when other people break into your home, fuck with your privately owned shit, and thwart against your livelihood when you haven't victimized anyone else.
http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/04/a-teenage-boy-was-shot.html
But wait, that's not it.......no one is morning those kids for busting in and getting shot to shit and killed.
It must have something to do with laws, with alleged order.......that's got to be the secret ticket that validates all this absurdity.
So even though nobody was being victimized, hurt, or fucked with, these cops had "legitimacy" to go try to actively ruin someones life over a fucked up drug war that nobody has rationally or justifiably ever tried to evaluate the merit of.
It's the law......hard to argue that one. Well, unless you don't believe in that law and want to argue changing the law. Sort of like everything else in our country today.
But who cares about all that......it's knee jerk emotional reaction time. This will give everyone something to bitch about......try to ban more guns over, try to further validate more police thuggery/vigilance, and draft far more legislation about.
In the end it doesn't matter.......
The idea that people are actively dying because of having FDA unapproved, or even approved, substances in their home......for their own use......or even for further distribution.......is the real crime in my mind.
It's like shooting someone to death for not wearing their seatbelt, because it is for their own safety. 
I'm not faulting these cops for doing their shitty job, that they shouldn't even have to do here, but for the complete void of logic behind why so many people need to die and be incarcerated for life so unnecessarily.
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Mockery
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| 04-13-2012 06:07 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
According to a some here. Drug dealers and users are not dangerous.
Hopefully they killed this POS criminals or will execute them
And neither are wars.......they often aren't dangerous and unnecessary either.
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Zombee
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| 04-13-2012 06:09 PM / profile
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Come on dude... they knocked on the guys door with a warrant. They didn't bust it down. They never saw it coming. Apparently, looking at court documents, Mr. Fireman had a history of violence, but mostly against women. Right- guess the cops deserved it.
And Redneck:
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Zombee
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| 04-13-2012 06:15 PM / profile
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ANd Mock- I do agree with you to an extent. I personally, although I don't smoke it, believe that marijauna should be legal. But then again, I think shooting certain types of humans should be legal as well. What do I know?
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Mockery
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| 04-13-2012 06:17 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: Zombee
Come on dude... they knocked on the guys door with a warrant. They didn't bust it down. They never saw it coming. Apparently, looking at court documents, Mr. Fireman had a history of violence, but mostly against women. Right- guess the cops deserved it.
And Redneck:
https://www.facebook.com/#!/mattwheeler1970
I'm not saying they deserved to be shot......it's just that we need to evaluate the framework that allowed this to happen (and continue happening).
Some will overreact and say we need to ban all guns, or at the very least make them harder to get (like more psychiatric evaluations).
Others will overreact and say that this is validation to make cops better armed, more militant, and make the war against drugs more proactive.
Nobody will talk about whether we need to reassess this entire fiasco, from the ground up, and start over in how/what we are trying to actually accomplish.
Look at the stories coming from the Cartel each and every single day.......this drug war is unmerciful and never ending.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War
These poor cops were just victims of circumstance. This guy didn't give a shit about them and knew that he would be going to jail for a very long time if they found him with drugs.
Now he is going to jail for both the original accusation and for killing a police officer.
For him......he doubled down and will most likely see the same result (ie. some long term jail time). That's the thing we really need to be evaluating here. How a person could come to the mindset and be so sick and desperate that he thought shooting cops would be a valid way out.
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xPATRIOTSx
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| 04-13-2012 06:19 PM / profile
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Zombee why did you emphasize firefighter when he was a FORMER SMALLTOWN VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTER? That sir is not a firefighter.
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Zombee
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| 04-13-2012 06:19 PM / profile
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Excellent points really... Maybe we're not paying enough attention to prevent things like this from escalating.
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| 04-13-2012 06:21 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: xPATRIOTSx
Zombee why did you emphasize firefighter when he was a FORMER SMALLTOWN VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTER? That sir is not a firefighter.
A fire fighter is a fire fighter. Any volanteer would agree. And this guy was actually in school to be an EMT. Please don't misunderstand- it's not that I was saying "Of course, those fucking firefiighters are EVIL". I was emphasizing it because it's amazing that someone who has pledged to save human lives could turn and take them so easily.
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xPATRIOTSx
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| 04-13-2012 06:22 PM / profile
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Ah OK, I misunderstood as usual, I thought you had an axe to grind with FF's 
edit: no pun intended
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Mockery
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| 04-13-2012 06:24 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: Zombee
ANd Mock- I do agree with you to an extent. I personally, although I don't smoke it, believe that marijauna should be legal. But then again, I think shooting certain types of humans should be legal as well. What do I know?
 Fair enough.....and same here (on both counts).
I'm not pushing any agenda, just trying to stir some type of conversation besides the typical Cops = Good, Guns + Drugs = Bad, banter that I so mindlessly see every time something tragic like this happens.
As for this specific event, nobody could possibly justify his individual actions taken against these officers so I hope that nobody misreads me on that.
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Nathan Bedford Forrest
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| 04-13-2012 06:24 PM / profile
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Let's break this down:
What is a drug deal? It's a transaction between people of one piece of property for another, or for a service, with the total consent of both parties. It's the same as selling beer or a doughnut.
For some reason, polite society has decided that selling "drugs" should be banned, but selling doughnuts or beer shouldn't. So, at the request of polite society, several gentlemen arrive at the property of one of these evil drug dealers and interrupt him with the purpose of sending his ass to prison. The evil son-of-a-bitch drug dealer decides that that isn't cool. After all, he's just trying to make a living by selling shit to SOMEONE WHO WILLINGLY IS BUYING IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY FUCKING WANT TO DO WITH THEIR OWN GODDAMN LIFE, so who are these assholes at the door to punish him for PURELY CONSENTUAL ACTS BY PRIVATE CITIZENS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IN WHICH ABSOLUTELY NO ONE WAS BEING HARMED BY ANOTHER PERSON? So, the evil asshole son-of-a-bitch drug dealer decides he wants to defend himself from the angelic and purely freedom loving agents of polite society, and so he does. Then, after killing/injuring the loving angelic beings from polite society, the evil asshole son-of-a-bitch cocksucker drug dealer realizes THAT POLITE SOCIETY ARE A BUNCH OF FUCKING DOUCHEBAGS AND THAT HE'S FUCKING FUCKED EVEN THOUGH HE INITIATED NO AGGRESSION AGAINST ANYONE AND COMMITTED NO LEGITIMATE CRIME so he kills his customer and then himself in an attempt to keep them from being punished by polite society.
Cliff's notes: Nothing says bravery quite like being shot in the face because you didn't want to let somebody burn some leaves.
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Zombee
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| 04-13-2012 06:35 PM / profile
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Are you kidding me...
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Mockery
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| 04-13-2012 06:37 PM / profile
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There really is a lot of truth to that NBF..........and is the glaring point that so many people seem to overlook.
When you make something illegal you don't remove the desire to continue using that item.
In fact, it can sometime raise demand, limit supply, and make that item far more profitable to sell (raising the incentives to distribute it).
The typical reaction to that is to raise the punishment against being caught selling that item.......rinse and repeat.
Now all you will be left with are organized crime as the market place to get a good/service that people desire, but are not legally allowed to have, and this is where chaos commences.
If these cartels look and sound familiar it is because they should.......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States
There are only a handful of solutions to this:
Either you have to successfully ban all the tools that organized crime and cartels can use to fight you (fat fucking chance).
Change peoples minds away from ever wanting to partake or use certain items (equally fat fucking chance).
Legalize everything and try to regulate them to the best of your ability (ie. compromise).
Anything shy of that is a dangerous pipe dream..........like so many other forms of warfare in this country.
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| 04-13-2012 06:38 PM / profile
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drug laws are stupid as NBF points out, at the same time i really don't think anything noble went through the mind of the shooter as he killed someone about freedom from tyrrany.
snake, you should rally the troops. they got the wrong guy, he isn't black. you better get up to new hampshire and find the right guy.
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Mockery
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| 04-13-2012 06:40 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: Pixël
drug laws are stupid as NBF points out, at the same time i really don't think anything noble went through the mind of the shooter as he killed someone about freedom from tyrrany.
snake, you should rally the troops. they got the wrong guy, he isn't black. you better get up to new hampshire and find the right guy.
He should start yet another war against "hoodies".......
Calling for war and waving false flags is what he does best.
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xPATRIOTSx
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| 04-13-2012 06:44 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: Pixël
drug laws are stupid as NBF points out, at the same time i really don't think anything noble went through the mind of the shooter as he killed someone about freedom from tyrrany.
snake, you should rally the troops. they got the wrong guy, he isn't black. you better get up to new hampshire and find the right guy.
That wouldn't be hard, there's only about 3 black people in NH when you get north of Salem
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Zombee
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| 04-13-2012 06:46 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: xPATRIOTSx
Originally posted by: Pixël
drug laws are stupid as NBF points out, at the same time i really don't think anything noble went through the mind of the shooter as he killed someone about freedom from tyrrany.
snake, you should rally the troops. they got the wrong guy, he isn't black. you better get up to new hampshire and find the right guy.
That wouldn't be hard, there's only about 3 black people in NH when you get north of Salem
5 to be exact.
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| 04-13-2012 06:49 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: Zombee
Originally posted by: xPATRIOTSx
Originally posted by: Pixël
drug laws are stupid as NBF points out, at the same time i really don't think anything noble went through the mind of the shooter as he killed someone about freedom from tyrrany.
snake, you should rally the troops. they got the wrong guy, he isn't black. you better get up to new hampshire and find the right guy.
That wouldn't be hard, there's only about 3 black people in NH when you get north of Salem
5 to be exact.
WTF!!? I'm gone for only 7 years and the population almost doubles!!
Minor derailment, I'm thinking of moving back but not all the way up Conway. What do you think of Portsmouth?
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