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Nathan Bedford Forrest
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Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
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NBF, quick question: Since buying drugs doesnt harm involved in the transaction and should be legal, are minors allowed to engage in that trade too?
In my opinion, yes. It's the parents responsibility to manage these things, not the taxpayers.
Ok, so how do the parents deal with a perfectly legal transaction that has allowed their child to become addicted?
Or do you believe that drug dealers are pure of heart and dont have the slightest intent to addict their clientele?
The answer to first question is easy. It's call parenting. Watch out for your dumbass kids. If you see them doing some dumbshit that you don't approve of, spank them. If they are older, kick them out of the house. Or don't. I don't really care. It's not my problem. One way or the other, I shouldn't be forced to pay for it.
Of course I don't think drug dealers are pure of heart. Are car dealers? ISPs? Any other business? No, they want to make a profit. So long as they aren't forcing anyone into anything, there is no problem. If you are dumb enough to get addicted to meth, I have no pity for you. It's 2012. You know that shit's bad for you. But you want to do it anyhow? Fine. I see no problem in someone else making a profit off of your idiocy. My one concern is this:
STAY OFF OF MY LAWN.
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Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
NBF, quick question: Since buying drugs doesnt harm involved in the transaction and should be legal, are minors allowed to engage in that trade too?
In my opinion, yes. It's the parents responsibility to manage these things, not the taxpayers.
Ok, so how do the parents deal with a perfectly legal transaction that has allowed their child to become addicted?
Or do you believe that drug dealers are pure of heart and dont have the slightest intent to addict their clientele?
The answer to first question is easy. It's call parenting. Watch out for your dumbass kids. If you see them doing some dumbshit that you don't approve of, spank them. If they are older, kick them out of the house. Or don't. I don't really care. It's not my problem. One way or the other, I shouldn't be forced to pay for it.
Of course I don't think drug dealers are pure of heart. Are car dealers? ISPs? Any other business? No, they want to make a profit. So long as they aren't forcing anyone into anything, there is no problem. If you are dumb enough to get addicted to meth, I have no pity for you. It's 2012. You know that shit's bad for you. But you want to do it anyhow? Fine. I see no problem in someone else making a profit off of your idiocy. My one concern is this:
STAY OFF OF MY LAWN.
But according to you, it is a perfectly legal transaction between drug dealer and minor, therefore, you remove the responsibility from the parents to the minor.
How can you hold the parents responsible?
These are mutually exclusive levels of responsibility where both can not exist in the same place without contradicting the other.
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Nathan Bedford Forrest
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Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
The Paultards now hating cops. Doesn't surprise me. Idiocy is strong in them
Don't get it twisted. I don't hate cops, I hate stupid and evil laws. I don't really have much sympathy for people who mindlessly support evil, however. It sucks that the guy died, but he put himself in that situation.
He put himself In what situation?. Upholding the laws and stopping a piece of shit criminal? 
Yes, upholding bullshit laws that make criminals out of non-violent people engaging in completely consensual activities.
The war on drugs is analogous to a war on sodomy or a war on prostitution or anything else of that nature. Yeah, polite society might look down on all of those things, but that doesn't mean that anyone's rights are being infringed upon when these things happen. To quote the great Lysander Spooner, "Vices are not crimes."
Your post is retarded on a grand scale. So this drug user wasn't violent.? Was it peacefulness that killed this father and cop?
Let me ask you this, when did this event get violent? Was it before or after the cops came to put him in jail?
Nathan this where I have zero respect for you. So because the cops came to stop a crime its their fault this guy murdered them. You are a fuckin idiot
The cop never should have been there. It's not a legitimate crime. Who's rights were being infringed upon? Who was the cop trying to save? If you are cool with the state controlling people's lives, are you cool with making alcohol and tobacco illegal? If not, why? Why is it acceptable to sell addictive substances like those to people, but not something benign like marijuana?
Vice laws are retarded. Solve murders and rapes and shit. Don't create them by penalizing people for human nature.
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Nathan Bedford Forrest
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Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
NBF, quick question: Since buying drugs doesnt harm involved in the transaction and should be legal, are minors allowed to engage in that trade too?
In my opinion, yes. It's the parents responsibility to manage these things, not the taxpayers.
Ok, so how do the parents deal with a perfectly legal transaction that has allowed their child to become addicted?
Or do you believe that drug dealers are pure of heart and dont have the slightest intent to addict their clientele?
The answer to first question is easy. It's call parenting. Watch out for your dumbass kids. If you see them doing some dumbshit that you don't approve of, spank them. If they are older, kick them out of the house. Or don't. I don't really care. It's not my problem. One way or the other, I shouldn't be forced to pay for it.
Of course I don't think drug dealers are pure of heart. Are car dealers? ISPs? Any other business? No, they want to make a profit. So long as they aren't forcing anyone into anything, there is no problem. If you are dumb enough to get addicted to meth, I have no pity for you. It's 2012. You know that shit's bad for you. But you want to do it anyhow? Fine. I see no problem in someone else making a profit off of your idiocy. My one concern is this:
STAY OFF OF MY LAWN.
But according to you, it is a perfectly legal transaction between drug dealer and minor, therefore, you remove the responsibility from the parents to the minor.
How can you hold the parents responsible?
These are mutually exclusive levels of responsibility where both can not exist in the same place without contradicting the other.
What you are missing the is the part where I don't care. People should be able to do whatever they want to do, so long as no one else is harmed against their will. Oh, so your kid got addicted to crack? I guess you failed at parenting. I don't care.
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Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
What you are missing the is the part where I don't care. People should be able to do whatever they want to do, so long as no one else is harmed against their will. Oh, so your kid got addicted to crack? I guess you failed at parenting. I don't care.
So in your world, its ok for a minor to be preyed upon by a legal transaction all the while holding parents responsible for that child?
 O dude... its brutally obvious that you arent a parent. I highly doubt you would ever allow any kid of yours to become addicted but not be allowed to do anything about it due a transaction that is perfectly legal.
Because... you dont care?
That is the epitome of failure as a parent.
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Nathan Bedford Forrest
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Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
What you are missing the is the part where I don't care. People should be able to do whatever they want to do, so long as no one else is harmed against their will. Oh, so your kid got addicted to crack? I guess you failed at parenting. I don't care.
So in your world, its ok for a minor to be preyed upon by a legal transaction all the while holding parents responsible for that child?
O dude... its brutally obvious that you arent a parent. I highly doubt you would ever allow any kid of yours to become addicted but not be allowed to do anything about it due a transaction that is perfectly legal.
Because... you dont care?
That is the epitome of failure as a parent.
I'd like to point out that, depending on the way the drug deal went down, fraud laws (a legitimate crime) could be applicable.
And no, I don't have kids (that I know of) and I don't plan on having any anytime soon. I don't want to be poor twenty something year old father. I want to be an accomplished and well to do 30 or 40 something year old father. You know, the kind that can adequately take care of his kids. I'd call that responsible parenting.
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Sam let me get this straight...
You paid 12k to go to rehab, twice, and you went with the intention you really didn't want to stay sober. You only wanted to take a break from drinking?
How fucking stupid are you? I have a friend who is a major alcoholic that has been to rehab once. He said he will never go back because he doesn't want to stop drinking. The other day he showed up at his shitty job drunk as hell. He got fired. To him his drinking isn't a problem.
You kind of remind me of him. If you go to rehab, you go to quit. If you're just going for a "break" you might as well just admit you have no willpower to stop. To tell yourself or anybody else different is just to appease them for a little while.
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Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
So in your world, its ok for a minor to be preyed upon by a legal transaction all the while holding parents responsible for that child? its no different than the constant advertising barrage for stupid shit like McDonalds
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Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
What you are missing the is the part where I don't care. People should be able to do whatever they want to do, so long as no one else is harmed against their will. Oh, so your kid got addicted to crack? I guess you failed at parenting. I don't care.
So in your world, its ok for a minor to be preyed upon by a legal transaction all the while holding parents responsible for that child?
O dude... its brutally obvious that you arent a parent. I highly doubt you would ever allow any kid of yours to become addicted but not be allowed to do anything about it due a transaction that is perfectly legal.
Because... you dont care?
That is the epitome of failure as a parent.
I'd like to point out that, depending on the way the drug deal went down, fraud laws (a legitimate crime) could be applicable.
And no, I don't have kids (that I know of) and I don't plan on having any anytime soon. I don't want to be poor twenty something year old father. I want to be an accomplished and well to do 30 or 40 something year old father. You know, the kind that can adequately take care of his kids. I'd call that responsible parenting.
Dont move the goalposts. You stated it was perfectly legal and therefore not open to fraud. Fraud is not addiction. No where was fraud ever mentioned by you.
You made it very clear that selling drugs to a minor is perfectly legal (and open to exploitation by said dealer) in your world, thereby removing responsibility from the parents that you stated should be responsible for.
That in no way implies anything responsible at all. You cant have it both ways.
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Originally posted by: samUwell
Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
So in your world, its ok for a minor to be preyed upon by a legal transaction all the while holding parents responsible for that child? its no different than the constant advertising barrage for stupid shit like McDonalds
I wasnt aware that eating a Happy Meal was an addiction of yours. 
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Nathan Bedford Forrest
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Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
What you are missing the is the part where I don't care. People should be able to do whatever they want to do, so long as no one else is harmed against their will. Oh, so your kid got addicted to crack? I guess you failed at parenting. I don't care.
So in your world, its ok for a minor to be preyed upon by a legal transaction all the while holding parents responsible for that child?
O dude... its brutally obvious that you arent a parent. I highly doubt you would ever allow any kid of yours to become addicted but not be allowed to do anything about it due a transaction that is perfectly legal.
Because... you dont care?
That is the epitome of failure as a parent.
I'd like to point out that, depending on the way the drug deal went down, fraud laws (a legitimate crime) could be applicable.
And no, I don't have kids (that I know of) and I don't plan on having any anytime soon. I don't want to be poor twenty something year old father. I want to be an accomplished and well to do 30 or 40 something year old father. You know, the kind that can adequately take care of his kids. I'd call that responsible parenting.
Dont move the goalposts. You stated it was perfectly legal and therefore not open to fraud. Fraud is not addiction. No where was fraud ever mentioned by you.
You made it very clear that selling drugs to a minor is perfectly legal (and open to exploitation by said dealer) in your world, thereby removing responsibility from the parents that you stated should be responsible for.
That in no way implies anything responsible at all. You cant have it both ways.
No, it matters and always has. If someone tells somebody that this cocaine will make you feel good and is 100% non-addictive, that would be fraud. Telling someone that the coke will make you feel good and can be addictive is something else entirely. I didn't mention fraud because it doesn't necessarily relate to the discussion. Not all drug deals would have to be based upon fraud. To quote Obomba, "Let me be clear", selling drugs should not be a crime; defrauding people should be.
At the end of the day, however, it all boils down to this: You can't fix stupid.
Let me be clear again. I think drugs are dumb. I've only ever used alcohol (stopped in January), tobacco (stopped in February) and marijuana (stopped in 2005). I've never had any interest in any others and I don't suspect I ever will. Were it legal, I'd occasionally use weed. Like, two or three times a year. My point is, I don't like drugs and that's not why I argue for their legalization.
Post edited by Nathan Bedford Forrest at 4/16/2012 12:24:07 PM
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| 04-16-2012 12:22 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
Originally posted by: samUwell
Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
So in your world, its ok for a minor to be preyed upon by a legal transaction all the while holding parents responsible for that child? its no different than the constant advertising barrage for stupid shit like McDonalds I wasnt aware that eating a Happy Meal was an addiction of yours. when one looks at fatty McAmerica and the advertising campaign directed to young kids, you would be amazed by the level of chemical imbalances in humans and teh shit they can get addicted to.
Mechanisms of Sugar Addiction: Or, Why You’re Addicted To Bread
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oh and, cummins... what i want to do with my money is my business. if i want to spend 24k on taking a break from drinking i will.
i actually save money by doing that because i spend almost 10k a year on drinking so...
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Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
No, it matters and always has. If someone tells somebody that this cocaine will make you feel good and is 100% non-addictive, that would be fraud. Telling someone that the coke will make you feel good and can be addictive is something else entirely. I didn't mention fraud because it doesn't necessarily relate to the discussion. Not all drug deals would have to be based upon fraud. To quote Obomba, "Let me be clear", selling drugs should not be a crime; defrauding people should be.
At the end of the day, however, it all boils down to this: You can't fix stupid.
Let me be clear again. I think drugs are dumb. I've only ever used alcohol (stopped in January), tobacco (stopped in February) and marijuana (stopped in 2005). I've never had any interest in any others and I don't suspect I ever will. Were it legal, I'd occasionally use weed. Like, two or three times a year. My point is, I don't like drugs and that's not why I argue for their legalization.
Fraud is a separate argument. Legal transaction ring a bell? It should. Unless there is some law I am unaware of, there is no such thing as legal fraud.
The point is this, kids are not necessarily stupid, but they are very naive (as evidenced by so many know-it-alls here) and there should be laws concerning the sale of drugs to minors as opposed to adults.
I dont think you clearly understand that distinction and would rather let anyone buy anything they want, including minors. Did you even consider the amount of exploitation if allowed to happen?
There are so many holes in your stance, Im not sure you even realize them all. Are you so entrenched that we are to believe you would place your ideology over your own kids? Really?
But dont you stand there for one minute and state its ok for kids to buy drugs under a legal transaction (individual responsibility) and somehow hold the parent responsible for it.
You claim you would be a responsible parent based upon what you think you know as opposed to putting your ideology over the minor.
They simply dont mix and speaks volumes about irresponsibility as a potential future parent.
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Originally posted by: samUwell
Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
Originally posted by: samUwell
Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
So in your world, its ok for a minor to be preyed upon by a legal transaction all the while holding parents responsible for that child? its no different than the constant advertising barrage for stupid shit like McDonalds I wasnt aware that eating a Happy Meal was an addiction of yours. when one looks at fatty McAmerica and the advertising campaign directed to young kids, you would be amazed by the level of chemical imbalances in humans and teh shit they can get addicted to.
Mechanisms of Sugar Addiction: Or, Why You’re Addicted To Bread
I know I sprinkle crack all over my burgers.
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nbf- just one question.
Do/did you support the troops who went overseas or did you hate them?
no relevant to much in this thread, just a question.
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| 04-16-2012 01:51 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
The Paultards now hating cops. Doesn't surprise me. Idiocy is strong in them
Don't get it twisted. I don't hate cops, I hate stupid and evil laws. I don't really have much sympathy for people who mindlessly support evil, however. It sucks that the guy died, but he put himself in that situation.
He put himself In what situation?. Upholding the laws and stopping a piece of shit criminal?
Yes, upholding bullshit laws that make criminals out of non-violent people engaging in completely consensual activities.
The war on drugs is analogous to a war on sodomy or a war on prostitution or anything else of that nature. Yeah, polite society might look down on all of those things, but that doesn't mean that anyone's rights are being infringed upon when these things happen. To quote the great Lysander Spooner, "Vices are not crimes."
Your post is retarded on a grand scale. So this drug user wasn't violent.? Was it peacefulness that killed this father and cop?
Let me ask you this, when did this event get violent? Was it before or after the cops came to put him in jail?
Nathan this where I have zero respect for you. So because the cops came to stop a crime its their fault this guy murdered them. You are a fuckin idiot
The cop never should have been there. It's not a legitimate crime. Who's rights were being infringed upon? Who was the cop trying to save? If you are cool with the state controlling people's lives, are you cool with making alcohol and tobacco illegal? If not, why? Why is it acceptable to sell addictive substances like those to people, but not something benign like marijuana?
Vice laws are retarded. Solve murders and rapes and shit. Don't create them by penalizing people for human nature.
So you hate cops and you feel its ok to gun them down. Gotcha. So what about the girlfriend this piece of trash filled with bullet holes? Is it ok that he gunned her down as well? She wasn't with the PO-llice. So murder is still ok with you on that one?
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Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
NBF, quick question: Since buying drugs doesnt harm involved in the transaction and should be legal, are minors allowed to engage in that trade too?
In my opinion, yes. It's the parents responsibility to manage these things, not the taxpayers.
Ok, so how do the parents deal with a perfectly legal transaction that has allowed their child to become addicted?
Or do you believe that drug dealers are pure of heart and dont have the slightest intent to addict their clientele?
The same way we deal with our children when they do anything else that, though legal, we don't want them doing.
That said, I would have no problem with an age limit, same as with booze or porn or voting. Once they are 18, their life becomes their own, and they become fully responsible for their own choices.
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This thread brings teh funneh.
I can't believe how well Cummins trolled you Sam. Seriously, he sucked you right in.
As for the legal transaction, I am with you NBF, inasmuch as yes, it should be legal, and yes, people should have a right over what they put in their own bodies.
Where I will part with that view, however, is children. I do not believe that they have all of the same rights as adults. They do not have the appropriate level of responsibility, wisdom, knowledge etc to deal with having the full rights of an adult.
Let me give an example. I tell an 11 year old girl that she is very pretty, I would like to have sex with her. I say, it will only hurt for a little bit, but then it wont. (so now I'm not guilty of fraud as well  Children are very impressionable, and no amount of good parenting is going to stop them from making mistakes, especially when an adult is telling them it will be ok. So to your line of thinking, sex with children should now be legal? See what I mean?
Until a child is ready to actually walk in their rights and make their own decisions, whether responsible or not, I don't believe they have a legal or inherent right to do whatever they want with their own bodies.
And snake, stop being so obtuse. No one hates cops. No one here anyways. But yeah, they are a different personality than most of us. Sherrifs used to be elected, and deputies appointed, right out of the member of the community. They didn't go looking for the responsibility, it was thrust upon them and they rose to the occasion. Now they go out looking for it. The excitement, the great benefits, etc. I know a lot of cops, and while some of them are great guys, not a single one of them got into it with the primary goal of serving their fellow citizens with honor and integrity.
They got in because it isnt boring, and because it starts at 70k a year after 6 months of paid training, and a full pension after like 15 years. Here anyways. So no, they are to be no more mourned than anyone else who gets shot and killed.
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Originally posted by: (SF) DirtyRatFink
Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
NBF, quick question: Since buying drugs doesnt harm involved in the transaction and should be legal, are minors allowed to engage in that trade too?
In my opinion, yes. It's the parents responsibility to manage these things, not the taxpayers.
Ok, so how do the parents deal with a perfectly legal transaction that has allowed their child to become addicted?
Or do you believe that drug dealers are pure of heart and dont have the slightest intent to addict their clientele?
The same way we deal with our children when they do anything else that, though legal, we don't want them doing.
That said, I would have no problem with an age limit, same as with booze or porn or voting. Once they are 18, their life becomes their own, and they become fully responsible for their own choices.
Something about that last line struck a bell in my head.
Thats one of the biggest problems I see daily. Teens are either allowed to do whatever they want 99% of the time, or the parents are completely restrictive of everything 99% of the time. They turn 18, high school is now over and they go WTF. The ones who were free before still feel somewhat the same but now there is much much more at stake. Those that were restricted to not make any choices on their own are now completely retarded in day-day decision making. There is almost no middle ground any more.
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